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The other comments be like, "this lady is dumb because she killed herself and definitely just changed her mind and definitely wasn't murdered, despite expressing that she will likely be murdered."
Right? If I'm ever inclined to believe that someone(s) is going to murder me, and tell my family & friends about it, and that I'm not suicidal, it's because I want people to look into it if I die. It's stunning to read all of these comments saying that maybe she was sitting on the fence, or that a half-decade is a lot of time to change your mind. Like, how fucking powerful do your enemies have to be before people are at least willing to entertain the possibility that you were killed for globally humiliating multiple multi-millionaires and their friends?
I swear to Christ, I think it'll take a dead-man's switch tied to a private investigator and/or hitman to get things moving after a death under suspicious circumstances... "I think someone's going to kill me, if it happens, here's $30K to ensure that something's done about it. Don't accept jerkoff diffusion from impotent wankers or fools. Make sure that dolts don't say I just got sad and shot myself in the back of the head twice."
People say shit like “half decade” to make five years sound longer. I understand people can change in five years, often do not share their suicidal ideation but she was a bright woman who understood the weight of her position, if nothing else it’s shady and needs to be looked into just to confirm.
Nice one, so I guess that you've never said "half dozen" then, right? Because you wouldn't want six eggs to sound like a bigger number, right?
She said she would never commit suicide. She was murdered.
Three weeks ago, Ms Giuffre posted on Instagram to say she had been seriously injured in a car accident, which her family later said she had not intended to make public. Local police later disputed the severity of the crash.
This part makes me wonder. If I remember at the time of it, it was a kidney injury that without dialysis would have given about 4 days to live. She recently split up with her husband after 22 years. I'll start by saying dialysis isn't fun. The emotional rollercoaster she has been on would devastate anyone.
That being said, all of this would not have happened if she hadn't been trafficked. I maintain an opinion that traumatic crimes result in suicide, then the perpetrators are murderers.
Regardless if she died by her own action or not, she was murdered.
With that opinion stated. Yeah. Without a lot more information I'm sort of expecting the suicide to be self-intlicted gunshot wounds to the back of her head while her hands were tied.
Interestingly in the uk it is possible to prosecute someone for manslaughter if their partner/ex kills themselves due to domestic abuse. Trafficking involves coercive control just like DA and there's an overlap between traffickers and DA in general.
Yeah. I'm inclined to believe this was suicide, but she was driven to it primarily by the abuse.
Whenever suicide is mentioned in conjunction with Epstein, the answer is it wasn’t suicide. Even so, it means there will be no justice.
If someone is shot and paralyzed, but dies years later from complications it is ruled as a murder in connection with the shooting. If someone is horrifically abused and commits suicide, should the suspects of the abuse have some culpability in the death?
Whether suicide or murder, her blood is on Epstein and company's hands.
well said. I would add his clients too.
Don't forget that the president of the United States is caught up in all of this too.
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Three weeks ago, Ms Giuffre posted on Instagram to say she had been seriously injured in a car accident, which her family later said she had not intended to make public. Local police later disputed the severity of the crash.
The prince, who has denied all claims against him, reached an out-of-court settlement with her in 2022. The settlement included a statement in which he expressed regret for his association with Epstein but contained no admission of liability or apology.
West Australia police said they were called to a home in the Neergabby area on Friday night, where Ms Giuffre was found unresponsive. A statement continued: "The death is being investigated by Major Crime detectives; early indication is the death is not suspicious."
Right now, I'll go with "non-consensual assisted suicide"
A high profile, vocal survivor of a human trafficking case involving the president of the United States and a UK royalty, offs herself weeks after being involved in a car crash that almost killed her. That's almost Russian Windows levels of coincidence right there.
Some would say she got the Princess Di treatment
The Kunts - Prince Andrew Is A Sweaty Nonce
As this song asks, why did Prince Andrew (or ultimately the British tax payer) pay Virginia Giuffre £12m if he didn't do anything?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-12m-court-settlement-26244075
So I live in a world where the rich and the powerful can commit whatever crimes they want and be elected world leaders.
Conspiracy theorists live in a world where the rich and powerful can commit whatever crimes they want and be elected world leaders and then vengefully kill their accusers, but make it look like a suicide for some reason.
Seems like the same thing with extra steps. Why do people think they would want or need to do the extra steps?
Critical thinking is a skill. Anyone can learn it. We can measure a person’s ability by giving them tests and throwing a wide array of problems at them.
This is part of that skillset, you understand subtext? this is the language of the powerful this is how they communicate to us not to resist and blow the whistle. You are serving their agenda by sowing doubt. Whistleblowers are ordinary people that have somehow accessed the deep courage to speak out when you or I would look the other way or say a thing is "someone else's job". These people are heroes; how many more of them are you going to watch die before you rise from your chair?
Most conspiracy theories have at least some truth, with the rest being assumptions based on things proven true. Is Jeffery Epstein an agent of a shadowy super organization that spent decades collecting evidence of rich and powerful men abusing children to keep them under control?
Maybe. Parts of that are undeniably true, and the rest of that also happened separately(see finders cult). You'd be a conspiracy theorist to combine the two though, especially if you were to present this information in 2003, despite both things still being true then.
As far as your actual point; whistle blower have "committed suicide" by shooting themselves twice in the back of the head, dislocating their joints, and shoving themselves post mortem into a duffle bag in a ny apartment. (See CIA whistle blowers, NYPD whistleblowers.) Its not crazy to assume someone that took on someone powerful was killed and was made to look suicidal, that's literally something that has happened thousands of times in the last 5 decades. As to why, it's easier. It stops official investigations. Its over with and must people will assume it is true and anyone that questions it will be a crazy conspiracy theorist.
This is an absolute tragedy, she deserved to live a long happy life. I wouldn't be surprised if she'd been murdered, although suicide is highly likely given what she's suffered. I hope she's at peace now
Just saying: Her car wrack story has been proven as bogus/phony. But it sounded like a cry for help/attention.
That doesn't rule out,that someone wanted her death - but neither does it rule out suicide.
And sadly victims of the unspeakable abuses she endured often suffer for the rest of their lives with mental health issues. Very bad mental health issues. And as someone who has suffered from them right where she lives I can testify that mental health care in WA sucks ass. Even if you are in a much more privileged position than she was - as a healthcare professional I had much better options than most.
Either way it's a fucking sad story. No matter how you turn it she might have never had a chance. Either to the outside forces or to her inner daemons.
Suicide, eh. Time to drag in the worthless shit Andrew into a Perth police station.
I could sure go for some optimism right now.
Wait… she fell out of a window? When was she in Russia?