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Speaking as a Canadian... Yes, we know.
You guys had the most trustworthy, most reliable ally ever. The faith and trust between Canada and the US was legendary.
That's gone now. It'll be a century or more before you can ever rebuild that trust.
And you threw it away for this drooling moron to play tinpot dictator.
Was it worth it?
Can some of us, uh, join you though?
Honestly I've been worrying for years that the only way the US is going to resolve this division and hostility within their country is by breaking up, possibly largely along red state/blue state lines, and hopefully not triggering a violent (or god forbid nuclear) civil war in the process.
But I can say as a Canadian, if it does come to that, and you guys can't take back your country (which I really think you can, once you start to accept what is happening and accept that it's gonna hurt and you dig your heels in anyway, I don't think there's anyone who will be able to take you down, not even Trump and crew), then we would be absolutely happy to quickly rebuild and strengthen our relationship with most of the blue states. And however you end up wanting to arrange yourselves in the end, we'll work with that. And if you guys genuinely wanted our help, our resources, our logistical support, even our protection (what little we can provide), if things were to start looking like actual civil war, I'm sure we'd absolutely be willing to figure out what sort of arrangement is actually going to work. We'd have to at least initially discuss it as equals and as partners though, I don't think we'd ask you or coerce you to give up your sovereignty, any more than we'd want you to take ours. But if the intention to join Canada was a popular attitude, I expect we'd be willing to consider it, probably after some cooling-off period though to make sure it's not just a passing fad. The progressive parts of America are the parts we've always loved. If you guys come knocking on our door needing a couch to crash on we're not going to ask how long you need to stay, we're just going to go find pillows and blankets.
Same. I don't honestly know how we recover as a country. Trump isn't the cause, he's a symptom. A tumour with a much larger cancerous problem underneath. At no point will the sane (and actual majority of us) roll over and become fascists. But at the same time, I don't see how the third of the country that has gone full fascist suddenly regains their sanity and joins us.
The USSR's goal was to divide us, and the Cold War never ended, it just went underground. There is a large part of me that is afraid at this point Balkanization is our future. But how we would we even get there without causing death and destruction?
But regardless of sentiments about losing faith in us (and I don't blame those that feel that way, they are warranted) I do love you all who recognize that not all of us are the insane ones that make it on TV. We do still value our brothers/sisters/enbys to the north and are proud that we have a friendship unparalleled and the world's longest undefended border. The world is a often a dark and scary place, but it's friendships like these that make it worthwhile.
I appreciate you internet stranger.
You’ve put it very well. And as someone that lives in BC, I agree wholeheartedly.
You guys are the best. I'm just south of you in the PNW and want us to always have each other's backs.
I assume certain short-term things will get better with anyone less crazy than Trump, but I agree the US is no longer reliable for anything long-term, and no other country should deal with us on the assumption that we'll give up certain short-term advantages for a long term stability within our sphere of influence. It's not even that the US was "good" (though I imagine the next hegemonic power could easily be worse), but across administrations, the US was generally intelligent about how to leverage its influence but retain enough goodwill to continue to do so indefinitely.
This administration is showing the world how poorly codified and vulnerable the US democracy is.
We learned that last time Trump was president that most of our country has been run on gentlemen's agreements. It was news to a lot of us as well.
I think a huge part of the problem is that it's run on Gentlemen's agreements but we pretend it's not. The UK's "Constitution" is a hodgepodge of laws and court cases and things that probably closer to treaties than anything else. It's a mess, but they know it's a mess so there's a very real sense that the gentlemen's agreements are important and as real as anything else.
In America, we worship our Constitution like a holy text, but so many of our institutional controls depend on Judicial Review (which is not technically mentioned in the constitution), on following along with the presumed intent, and on fudging around the edges when it's obvious the machinery of the state would grind to a halt if we had to amend it every time a novel situation arose. Yet, nevertheless, we have an entire school of thought built around the idea of shallow surface readings. The "originalists," not to put too fine a point on it, are fucking idiots.
If you get the idea that the only important thing is the blackletter text agreed to by a gaggle of 18th century provincials, many of whom were intelligent and well-intentioned, but all of whom were elites and either slave-owners or okay with hanging out with slave owners, then you have a recipe for considering stupid shit like presidential immunity or having a speaker of the house who's not a Congressperson and who can become president despite already serving two full terms, because it doesn't explicitly say you can't. It's childish and dangerous, and their ascendancy in the judicial branch is a travesty.
Was it worth it?
Southerners: "Yes, but we get to abuse brown people again!"
I think this bears repeating.
We will make you forget Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. The insurrection will be continent wide and we will just walk over the border and start looting weapons.
We are tougher than anyone thinks and can survive just fine pretending to be homeless or just in your woods or in a looted home.
We will live among you indistinguishable until something good to blow up comes along, or an American needs tied to a tree with their dick in their mouth.
You’ll never feel safe. You’ll never be safe.
Promise.
Just a reminder to non-canadians that a core part of Canadian identity has always been not being American. It’s a quasi-colonized pov. Make it real and it will be life-or-death for many many folk.
Yep, I frequently hear people bitching about the state of things in Canada and someone almost always follows up with "eh it could be worse, at least we're not murican"
Fuck murica.
We're not always great a describing who we are, but we sure as fuck know who we are not.
The US' infrastructure is incredibly weak and vulnerable, and there are about a million(!) Canadians living in the US -- and that doesn't include dual citizens which is probably double that.
So it'll be nothing for Canadians living in the US to fuck shit up in a major way. How many refineries do you think the US can lose before people can't buy gas anymore? Those Amazon warehouses look pretty flammable. Datacentres would probably burn pretty good too. How long will it take to replace those high-power transmission line transformers? How is the East Coast going to power itself when Canada stops powering them? How are US airports going to operate when there's small drones continuously overhead? In fact given the hub-and-spoke design of US air travel, only a few airports need to be droned to completely shut down air travel across the US, including shipping. On a final note, only a few hundred grams of thermite can melt of hole through a wing or a fibreglas hull, so a lot of VERY expensive billionaire and government hardware can be reduced to ash with nothing but a small drone and a pissed-off Canadian.
I think that we Canadians would be more than happy to add to the Geneva checklist should it come to this.
Hopefully the Canadians will team up with blue states and we can fight any war he tries inflicting on Canada. I am moving from Texas if we ever invade Canada, most likely Washington
We’re taking care of their military. We’re taking care of every aspect of their lives, and we don’t need them to make cars for us,” Trump told Time. “In fact, we don’t want them to make cars for us. We want to make our own cars. We don’t need their lumber. We don’t need their energy. We don’t need anything from Canada. And I say the only way this thing really works is for Canada to become a state.
Then stop importing and we'll see how long before it's a problem for the people.
“In fact, we don’t want them to make cars for us. We want to make our own cars. We don’t need their lumber. We don’t need their energy. We don’t need anything from Canada. And I say the only way this thing really works is for Canada to become a state.”
So he DOES need things from us. If he didn't need us he'd just walk away and not trade with us. But why would he he want us as a state if we didn't have something he wanted?
He DOES need us, our workers, and our resources but he doesn't like that we're our own sovereign nation. He needs us but he wants us enslaved and controlled.
Kill him. He only deserves a bullet.
U S perspective here.
I keep remembering that oath our armed forces repeat so much: "... To defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic."
What in the flippin' hell do these bastards gotta do to be considered "domestic enemies"‽
Because apparently directly provoking all our neighbors to attack us out of self defense, or allying with friggin' Putin, along with a million other treasons, aren't qualifying enough? Who over there is gonna actually protect and defend the Constitution and the People of the United States of America?!
Because dammit we haven't lived this frickin long, through countless crises and bullshit, just to get shot or bombed by a Canadian we should've been sharing pancakes and beer with!!!
FULFILL THAT OATH YOU LIKE TO RECITE SO MUCH. OR COUNTLESS INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE OVER ORANGE CALIGULA'S EGO.
China is walking this dumbass like a dog. How about we don't tie ourselves to this sinking ship.
I like to idly game this out because it truly reflects how narcissistic and uninformed he is. So, he's talking about admitting Canada as a single state. Lets assume somehow that happens, even though the Canadians themselves would undoubtedly push for as many states as possible if joining the US were the only option.
You've now got a new largest state by both population and area, and one that has ridiculous reserves of resources and a coast-to-coast infrastructure. It instantly becomes the most important state. It's also full of millions of people who didn't want to be Americans and who've had a hundred years of more progressive governance than the US. Congratulations, Republicans, you've just skewed the Senate and completely fucked yourself in the House for a generation or more. You've also got 8 or 9 million Francophones who weren't even entirely sure they wanted to be CANADIANS, much less Americans, to say nothing of being Americans in a MAGA world. This is how real troubles begin.
So, in return for dubious "improvements" to the trade deficit, and certain (what?) administrative conveniences (I guess) for a military that already had basically all the access anyone would ever need, as well as a giant buffer territory you're not politically committed to defending with the same gusto you would your own soil, you completely upset the balance of power in Congress to your own party's detriment and add a huge population that hates their situation. Brilliant.
Although, I guess if you're just done with free and fair elections then a lot of these concerns evaporate...
We'd be joined through the Puerto Rico route, as a territory. No representation. The 51 state is just a ruse to get the 17th territory, or whatever the number is.
I'm so fucking tired of Americans saying shit like "omg Canada as the 51st state would totally skew our elections Democrat, get owned Trump!"
The reality is, in any scenario where Canada gets annexed by the US, American democracy will not exist anymore by then. Even if there are fake elections, we'd most likely not be allowed to vote (à la Puerto Rico, as you point out).
I do appreciate someone pointing out how utterly enraged us Francophones would be if subjected to US rule.
Doesn't matter. He wants Canada because it is big on the map and if America had it then America would look bigger on the map and if it was at its biggest when Trump was president that would mean Trump was the best US president ever in every history book for all time. Same thing with Greenland.
I do unironically believe the Mercator projection has influenced how much he talks about Greenland.
It's not him trolling us, it's his dementia trolling us. Or maybe his plain old stupidity. Honestly it's hard to tell at this point.
How is election security in Canada? There was fuckery in the last presidential election here, and I don't doubt they'll try it in Canada too.
Thanks to Elections Canada it's actually a lot better than the states. We also get answers sooner. There's nothing like an American election to make Canadians thankful for Elections Canada.
Christopher Tidus just did two hour and a half long podcasts with a guest. He never has guests. The guest is a veteran that has teamed up with a data analyst and a computer geek. They have the data. The election was stolen. They used every single method from kicking voters off the eligible elector list, to vote switching, to ballot box stuffing. The election was a sham that shows a clear Russian Tail.
So, we’re back to this. His poll numbers are tanking so he has to quickly get control of the news cycle again.
I'm glad he got back to this literally days before a Canadian federal election.
Fuckin' seriously. I said half a year ago that a potential silver lining to Trump winning might be galvanising us to vote against PP, and it looks like that's pretty likely to happen, so thanks, Trump, for one uplifting bit in your otherwise awful tenure.
It's just something to grab the headlines and make people focus on something other than Hegseth and China.
No, it's not. It's a 1930's that focused on a bloc of the United States, Canada, and Greenland.
What cards does this nipple have? None.
Canada has freedom. America doesn't anymore. Canadians are never going to agree to rolling back their rights and freedoms for a has been country headed by a fucking dictator wannabe. Canadians will die before anything like that comes to pass. Canada may be no match militarily, but now that Canadians are aware of the dangers .. that won't be the case forever. Unless of course they decide to invade Canada right now.. Not likely.
Canada simply can't afford to match America in conventional warfare. America has a more powerful military than the next 5 countries combined, and Canada isn't one of those. Unconventional warfare, on the other hand. I can't think of anything stupider than starting an unconventional war with a neighboring country with an incredibly long, weakly inhabited, border and a population that looks and sounds mostly like your own citizens. If even 1% of Canadians had a problem with that, there would be half a million insurgents that couldn't be easily identified.
There's something very irritating to me about the President using the word "trolling."
Maybe I'm being a stick in the mud, but the Leader of the Free World using Internet slang just doesn't seem right to me. It's petty, I know, but still.
It is not, however, as irritating as people defending the shit he does to throw the global economy and international community into chaos, by saying he's just trolling.
