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Dragon Rider banned from a bunch of communities (lemmy.zip)
submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by Maven@lemmy.zip to c/fediverselore@lemmy.ca
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Dragon Rider (drag) being banned from the following communities for sharing DMs:

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[–] FirstMajesticComet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Already said it in !main@lemmy.blahaj.zone but I'll say it again so others can see it here.

It seems drag was banned from the site for sharing people's DMs, though I'm sure that's not the whole story, drag has a history of being banned for way more than just the thing on the label. Looking at the comments on drag's home instance where it hasn't been removed, it seems drag was sharing those DMs in attempt to libel Ada for not taking the action drag wanted. That's on top of the fact that she did not give drag permission to share them. It's an asshole move for sure, and I have to say if I were in Ada's shoes I'd do the same.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ada was also already wary of drag after the respecting pronouns rule announcement, because a number of blahaj users rightfully pointed out drag is still likely a troll. Fluff around and find out basically.

[–] FirstMajesticComet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It ultimately isn't surprising. Drag has been very sus from the beginning, drag exhibited a lot of behaviors that made me leery. Though at the time I didn't say anything since it was only a hunch and most people were just voicing transphobic complaints about pronouns.

[–] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What made drag feel suspicious?

[–] FirstMajesticComet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago

Either you have issues with reading comprehension or you are an alt of drag. When people say someone is being sus or has been sus they generally mean they as a person are behaving in ways that make others suspicious.

[–] exploitedamerican@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I believe transparency is desirable and the single party consent rule in regards to private conversations should be the primary accepted doctrine here outside of any communique that is sexual/private and includes nudes and or personal data and could constitute doxxing.

[–] FirstMajesticComet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

That's your opinion, but many people do not agree with you. I myself would be pissed if you shared our DM convo without asking me first, or even letting me know you were going to. I can see why Ada would and why she did what she did, it's disrespectful and adversarial.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's an instance ban. Instance bans automatically issue community bans for local communities the user has been active in.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

Ironic considering how much flack blahaj got for defending that user.

[–] Zero22xx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I think Blåhaj handled this person well over all. Even if Drag wad just 100% troll, drag wasn't being fed in Blåhaj and had to go elsewhere. But also there was always the chance that drag is just someone on a journey or with things to sort out. Some people have completely given up on being any gender and treat it like a joke in an almost nihilistic way. But clearly there's a line between that and an actual troll.

Either way, I wouldn't say that it's standard heterosexual cisgender behaviour to go as far as Drag did just for the lulz. So maybe one of these days, Drag will have an awakening and remember how no one in the community either fed drag or shunned drag when drag was confused and behaving badly.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I personally don’t think they were a troll but I am also not sure I agree with banning people for not remembering or wanting to use their unusual pronouns.

But I am not well-educated on the topic of neopronouns so if someone feels like educating me or suggesting some readings I am open to it.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No one was banned for not rembering drags pronouns or for accidentally getting them wrong.

People were banned for dismissing the validity of neopronouns or for deliberately and repeatedly getting pronouns wrong.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Was it dismissing or just not understanding? To be honest my recollection is a bit fuzzy.

I’m a little afraid to be having this conversation lest I be accused of prejudice against trans or nonbinary folks, a prejudice I try my best to fight against. But I don’t even understand the connection there since we already have well-established systems of pronouns for such people.

Personally, I truly can’t fathom why neopronouns are necessary and while I don’t want to disrespect anyone, they are so uncomfortable to use that it just makes me not want to address someone who uses them… especially when they are implicitly linked to having sex with non-human mythological creatures.

But maybe I am just ignorant. Drag was my first introduction to this concept. I’d like to learn more about this.

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[–] archonet@lemy.lol 1 points 2 weeks ago

clown down.

legit you cannot convince me this wasn't trolling, and the fact so many people haven't been able to tell, for so long, is deeply funny but also somewhat depressing. I blocked them almost as soon as I encountered them. It reeks of bait turned up to 11, like an edgy 16 year old just heard about the concept of making your own pronouns and went "ok how can I make this as stupid as humanly possible to fuck with people?".

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Careful not to mythologize the characters of people who have just hurt others.

With 100+ comments already this is probably a message delivered too late, but if you are reading this be aware that comments here that digress away from simply keeping history into ogling and ridiculing serve only to feed the needs of a user who already has alt accounts drifting in as we speak.

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'm really amazed how they don't try very hard to conceal their alts as alts. Change what they refer to themselves as in the third person, and everything else is exactly the same. Low effort.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Finally, the anti-trans troll falls out of favor.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Why is that troll not banned from ALL of lemmy? I don’t get it.

Oh, and for the record; this post and all the comments in it including mine- are exactly why they do what they do.

They feed on the drama. Ban them, and this ends.

[–] yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's effectively impossible as a part of the nature of the fediverse. You could try banning alts on site but it's really not that hard to have a dozen alts waiting across host of instances.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And when those alts call themselves “drag” what do you think will happen?

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Mods will ban them, they will make a new account and carry on.

Bans only work for normal people.

[–] Draconic_NEO@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Correction bans only work for people who respect the paradigm of "not being allowed to sign up again when banned" and "not being allowed to lie on registration application" if it's present on the server.

Normal people don't get permabanned from servers left, right, and center.

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Reeks of big brother, but I wonder if there's a way to device ban.

[–] Draconic_NEO@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you could force users to use an app like Reddit does you could get device data. Though short of that not really. Browser fingerprinting and tracking cookie placement (What Reddit uses in their web session) is described that way by lay people (and people trying to fear monger or dissuade ban evasion) but Browsers like Tor or Mullvad defeat that very easily by not saving the data and randomizing the fingerprinting data.

Most Lemmy users wouldn't use a locked down black box app similar to the Reddit app though. It would be a red flag for many of them. An instance which requires that would not be popular.

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

That tracks. And is a good thing actually. Thanks for taking the time to write this up. Appreciate it!

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 0 points 2 weeks ago

Getting banned from Blahaj.Zone is easy. Just disagree with the admin on anything.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sharing DMs is a dick move.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not if it is exposing admin/mod abuse.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 points 2 weeks ago

good thing it wasn’t (source: i was the third party recipient of those shared DMs; they were fully irrelevant to admin/mod action, abusive or otherwise)

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

If they follow the rules, they are always welcome in Casual Conversation.

I do not understand the same reasons to judge them that everyone else seems to. They have never seemed antagonistic.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

There are/were some instances of harassment with multiple accounts from them IIRC

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

How would anyone know it's them?

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