This is why I said, the first time it happened with that immigration lawyer, she should have immediately brought it to a judge.
This will keep happening until there's some kind of court action.
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And then it'll just keep happening because there is zero enforcement.
This is why they aren't allowing due process, which would expose many more "mistakes". There's likely many more who were already sent to the El Salvador concentration camp than just Kilmar Abrego Garcia. For example, this poor guy. How many more?! 😠
These aren't mistakes. The cheeseburger Gestapo are coming.
Yup. They are seeing how many people they can disappear without anyone noticing
Martinez-Gomez works full-time assisting immigrants in court for a non-profit
This is quite the Hanlon's Razor situation.
There have been a number of US citizens who have received these emails, all of them do some kind of work related to immigration. It's pretty clear that whoever sent out these emails just collected every email related to immigration work, and sent out a mass email. That satisfies Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
But! The fact that they're doing this without even a passing effort at accuracy, with no concern about getting it wrong, shows how it's motivated by malice too. It's the ICE version of a reckless homicide, they're doing something they have to know would normally get them fired if not charged. But, they don't care because the current racist administration is going to revel in the pain.
So, it's a weird situation where Hanlon's Razor is both right and wrong.
The problem with "they're just incompetent", is that it let's malicious people feign stupidity. And if it is a combination, it doesn't matter which aspects are one or the other. They are dangerous all the same and shouldn't be allowed to continue hurting people. But a combination of apathy, indoctrination, and infiltration means they'll likely never see any real consequences. Or if they do, they were likely expendable and their excision doesn't accomplish anything. People need to, at a minimum, vote. And preferably get more involved. Organize. Start local.
It may let malicious people feign stupidity, but that doesn't mean you have to just forgive them.
Is there reason to believe that Hanlon's Razor is correct?
Yeah, Occam's razor.
Occam's Razor comes from a 14th century priest who studied logic. It's been gone over by philosophers in the centuries since and is generally considered valid.
Hanlon's Razor comes from a joke book published in 1980.
Hanlon's Razor is basically a special case of Occam's Razor.
Making a mistake or doing something stupid is easy. Conspiring to do something malicious is not as easy. The simpler explanation is generally that something is a mistake rather than an elaborate conspiracy. So, Occam's Razor says that the simplest explanation (a mistake) is probably the right one.
Fwiw Occam's razor is actually a little more precise than "choose the simplest explanation". Specifically, it defines what "simplest" actually means, in such a way that makes it easier to see how you could describe Hanlon's razor as a special case of Occam's.
Occam's razor is that you should choose the solution which requires the fewest assumptions. Assuming someone made a mistake is precisely one assumption. That they were acting maliciously requires several, including having the motive to do it and, in a case involving large organisations, having the capability to cover it up.
From a logical perspective, if you're trying to discover the truth of something you're inevitably going to start weighing and eliminating variables. It makes sense to start from the absolute bottom, prove or disprove that, then move on.
It's just razors all the way down...
Is it? Hitchens' razor says that you've provided no evidence for your turtle-like stack of razors, so your claim can be dismissed without evidence.
While true, the intent behind Hanlon's has been expressed for millennia. The Principal of Charity (which was only named in the 1950s)
Basically, never assume the worst about someone.
The problem here is when there is actual malice. But that's when Occam's razor comes in.
No. And it's a boon to "people" like the Trump regime.
Fuck these fixing incompetent fascist.
Honestly as a American born Asian American, I'm just wondering when this will be happening to me.
First they came for the ..
Doesn't matter when.
It will.
Unless you and everyone else start to speak up for the others.
speak up? how about get armed and coordinated?
First saw this pop up on LA local news IG account, knew something was up with all the trolling responses dominating. There's really no way to even report fake/suspiscious accounts over there. Very glad/relieved to see rational comments here.
I hope he gets armed guards. ICE is a trafficking gang.
this requires coordination. we have to work harder.
If I were a judge, him using “I'm not trying to be…” would be all the evidence I’d need to prove he’s an American citizen. They must think I’m Boo Boo the Fool if they deport that man.
In an email? I would have just, rightfully so, assumed it was some type of scam.
It is a scam backed by the executive branch.
I am now completely jaded. Whatever faith I had in institutions has completely eroded. If nobody gets held accountable, who's to say everything isn't a scam? I guess you gotta just use the duck method.
I read that the reason this happens is that immigrants use their lawyers’ email when filling out immigration forms instead of using their own email.
If that's the case, why is the email addressed to him and not one of his client's names? How would you even know which one it's supposed to be going to?
Looking at the body and subject in the scan of the printout of the email indicates they didn't specify his name.
His name appears in the To: line of the header, but without the opportunity to examine the raw headers of the email, I would assume that his mail client replaced his email address with his name for display purposes.
While there is certainly more than enough incompetence, it seems clear that it falls short of actually targeting him.
It is a huge mess. How can someone write a letter that does not contain the addressee? Let alone a letter that is threatening you to run away or else.
How can someone write a letter that does not contain the addressee?
It's easier to bulk send them this way. No need for a mail merge, just spam it out to everyone on your list. Efficiency!
This is not the happy timeline.
Failing to provide the name of the person in the body of the email is incomptetence.
Fox included the disclaimer about contact email... but IMO the person who built the mail merge was incompetent and that will not prevent ICE from coming after Aldo.
You're expecting competence from this administration?
I get your point, but YES we should expect competence. Don’t give up.
Writing a letter is quite literally something you learn to do in second grade...knowing how to do that isn't remotely where the bar for competency is.
Not if cheeto is hiring.
they just open the database and search for "gomez"
Where are they getting these emails from? I don't mean where they are sent from, but the email addresses? Do US citizens share their email with the government?
Do you file taxes online?
I thought most Americans did it through a third party online or a service. Is there a place to put an email? Is it required? Do people actually do it?
You login using your email or your phone number. When you sign up to the IRS system you use your email. They have it. in this case its probably due to him helping folks with their immigration status and a distinct lack of intelligence when harvesting information. After all these are some of the lowest IQ fascists ever.
The services just fill the forms on your behalf. The IRS asks for a lot of info
“Criminal prosecution” requires a system of law. However the lawless dictator that overthrew the throne has no intention of acknowledging that there is a system of law in place that doesn’t benefit him directly.
So, this could end poorly.
the lawless dictator that overthrew the throne
Beginning to wonder why we have a throne to begin with.
We don’t. It was sarcasm.