I wrote all of the MPs and a lot of the media in Canada saying this. We would not use weapons provided by the opposing side in a traditional, why are we using them in a trade war?
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Beyond the sensationalized article headline, the key is for politicians and community leaders to leave twitter all together. We don't need to ban it, we need to make twitter obsolete.
π― the only correct response. Itβs a hostile entity undermining your country.
Yes, but first your government should operate a mastodon node and give all of your ministries and employees time to migrate.
Germany declared Facebook and X to be national security risks, so they've been running their own mastodon instances for years
That's awesome! Yes each country, region, municipality should have their own instance. I've spun up a Lemmy instance and going to try and make grassroots in roads by going to local businessses and trying to get them to sign up.
Its a chicken and the egg dilemma. Trying to get users is hard, but if there are businesses that interact with local users then there's something more whole some. Not zucc, musky, or the other broligarchs making pennies on each local interaction. Their power needs to be usurped by the people.
I think one instance per country is sufficient. Maybe per State. But there's really no need for each city to have their own instance
That's the beauty, I spun up my own and you can too. It allows for data sovereignty and ownership if you own your own node and once critical mass is reached then its game over for established social media oligarchs. SReddit is issuing warnings and likely only time before they kiss the ring for Cheeto Mussolini and ban and dissenting opinions.
This would be like if Canada got rid of all national newspapers, news broadcasters and news organizations and instead handed the responsibility of delivering the news to the people of Canada to one company owned by one billionaire who isn't even Canadian.
We would never allow that to happen .... but the fact that X exists and has so much power over people ... we essentially made this possible.
Alas, we're trying it South of the border. The review: 0/10 would not recommend. :-(
You guys should ban it, if for no other reason it would be very funny to do so
SIGN THE PETITION! BAN TWITTER!!!
Brazilian here. Without twitter (as we insist to call it) for like 40 days due to a supreme-court ban. Extreme right got mad because they couldn't publish their fake news and other conspiracy shit. Maybe you should take a breath of this sickhead network too.
I donβt think they should ban it but ever since they are forcing a sign in to view anything they should stop using it for all levels of government.
Ban it. It's too late for us, save yourselves!
Charlie Angus is doing some heavy lifting. Respect.
We, the undersigned, citizens and residents of Canada, call upon the Government of Canada to transition official government communications away from Twitter/X to more secure, community-regulated platforms that prioritise public safety, accurate information, and accessibility. We encourage the government to explore publicly accountable alternatives, including decentralised networks, to ensure reliable and responsible communication with Canadians. - 5359
We, the undersigned, citizens of Canada, call upon the Government of Canada to:
- Ban the social media platform X on all government agencies' communication channels;
- Ban political candidates at all levels of governments to campaign, promote, disseminate, and share contents or messages under public or official capacity; and
- Publicly encourage private Canadian entities and users to use alternatives to communicate and interact with their audiences. - 6378
Enough signatures means a petition HAS to be presented in the HoC and a government response MUST be tabled. The "revoke Elon's citizenship" petition that got popular is the most symbolic gesture of these 3, but I think they're all for the same main purpose: make our elected reps talk openly and on the record about the seig heil in the room. If they legislate deplatforming his main propaganda arm, that's just gravy imo.
ban starlink too, it is a spying security risk.
Please do. It was a good idea for the US to ban TikTok due to Chinese security law, and of course the worst man on earth granted it a reprieve.
Also, when are you guys going to denaturalize Musk? He cheated on his US citizenship, so I hold out a shred of hope that after his rampage is ended and it all wraps up, we'll revoke his citizenship as fraudulent and he'll have to return to a failed state that's following in Robert Mugabe's anti-white race war footsteps. Can't think of a better place on this earth for a Nazi to belong to.
And Post Media
Absolutely, not sure why we allow an institutionalized foreign influence campaign like this. It's actively undermining our nation
Itβs a mixed bag for me, itβs kinda nice that other websites are just filled with absolute degeneracy. By banning it, people will go elsewhere.
Yes it's good on the surface, but echo chambers are near impossible to break. Having everyone on fediverse where there's not perverse incentives to tailor algorithms to keep your engagement could help free some younger minds.
Its still a curated echo chamber and not reflective of the broader society, but its not a broligarch making pennies on each click either. For online social discourse, transparency is key.
Reddit has recently been issue warnings for users that engage (read: upvote) with content construed as inciting violence. Free and open discourse is not tenable on the main platforms (Meta, X, Reddit, etc.) and are being astro-turfed by bots trying to drive wedges in the communities.
Change our laws to make the social network responsible for what is posted if it is foreign owned. Canadian owned can have the shield. That'll kill them, fb, reddit and the rest in Canada and we'll see homegrown replacements take shape. Governments at all levels should not be using social media, they should have central websites/apps where they can post information that can be spread by RSS. Canadians would be free to repost to any network they want to discuss but the government, imo shouldn't be on these networks.
Why not instead flood X with tons of pro-Canadian content/shitposting (for great justice)? Maybe they could band together with other countries & do an all-out offensive against X, overwhelming their servers?
I'd bring out popcorn for that.
The owner (fElon) could easily adjust the algorithm to basically not give anything that's opposite of his interests any traction. The best solution is to just dump Xitter and move to fediverse.
You don't think state actors could make X operations inconvenient or costly like this or this? Couldn't that play part in the solution?
I suggest a tariff on the use of US-based social media. Theyβre all bad.
I don't think banning things is the right approach. That is censorship & bolsters fascism, not stop it. Education is the most important. If you're worried about misinformation, then educate people about it.
I would have agreed with you before I'm not sure about that any more. Musk and his oligarch buddies are in open war against the working class at this point and social media is their primary weapon.
If not outright ban, at the very least insist on heavy regulations. Allowing them to shape the discourse is a sure fire way to lose this battle.
Education hasn't worked seeing how fascism has successfully taken hold through american social media, and no transparency over algorithms. And the people in charge pushing for fascism owning the sites and tuning the algorithm to their liking to promote and suppress information they want the masses to hook on to.
And it's not like only dumb uneducated people who have been lured into it. Those with educated backgrounds are just as easily influenced. That there are antivax nurses tells you everything there is to know about how effective education is.
Education hasnβt worked seeing how fascism has successfully taken hold through american social media, and no transparency over algorithms.
This is because the very same people that were pro-oligarchy were previously seen by the left as being friendlies that they should entrust because of their big dollar donations. It is time to take money out of politics. I didn't say you shouldn't regulate social media, especially transparency of the code & algorithms.
And itβs not like only dumb uneducated people who have been lured into it. Those with educated backgrounds are just as easily influenced. That there are antivax nurses tells you everything there is to know about how effective education is.
I've known plenty of dumb nurses even before the pandemic. I've known alcoholic ones, drug-addicted ones, etc. To blame it on social media is ignoring everything else. Let's not forget the number of nurses & even doctors that believe in a magical sky creature controlling what happens on Earth.
We are exposed to the same material as the people who choose to believe them. We aren't anymore special or smart than anyone else when it comes to material we have available or see when people smarter than us like doctors can choose to believe it.
You say take money out of politics and I agree, but money is currently in politics and these type of talks of education while true are not effective enough in a system that has money in politics. And social media is currently run by oligarchs. These type of changes will take decades to undo. Education alone is not enough to combat the problem right now.
And as you said dumb people were dumb before, but what has drastically changed is what dumb people in masses choose to believe leading to an increase uptick in harm to society. First it was flat earth people laughed about. Then antivax and now support of dictators.
People keep underestimating the power of disinformation and how quickly it takes root, but how even harder it is to deprogram.
People keep underestimating the power of disinformation and how quickly it takes root, but how even harder it is to deprogram.
Disinformation is powerful. But is it just antivax & flat earth? Biden's cognitive issues were apparent long before the debate. Do you remember when Republicans were calling on the DoJ to release audio of Bidenβs interview with Special Counsel Robert Hur. Hur, in his report, concluded that Biden should not face criminal charges over his mishandling of documents but also impugned the presidentβs age and competence. Republicans argued that it would at least show proof of serious cognitive decline which was important to know about the President.
What did Democrats do at the time? They ran cover for Biden. They claimed he was young & dynamic behind the scenes like the Wizard of Oz. Karine Jean-Pierre lied time & time again. Merrick Garland ignored a subpoena & was held in contempt. All leading up to the debate where Biden's cognitive decline was so obvious that he was later basically forced to drop out because everyone realized they had been lied to. At a time of a fascist potentially getting elected as they claimed, Biden & his team decided to lie to you which ultimately helped Trump significantly. Now imagine a different scenario where the audio got released much sooner, the people found out much sooner & a new candidate was picked to replace Biden much sooner.
The point is that disinformation goes both ways. Having an authority to declare what is true/untrue provides a centralized system for a fascist then use to control what is true/false. Now there are some avenues that you could take if you wanted to. You could study law & find justification to bring a case against Musk for manipulating social media. You could get to discovery & provide evidence, and get a court to even make a ruling requiring that every time someone visits X they get a notice about what was determined. But deciding what people can/can't see cause you don't think they can decide for themselves I believe sets too dangerous of prescedent.
both, do both.
I'm not for adding a great Internet firewall. Just see it for what it is, advertise against it instead. Adding a great Canadian firewall is going to introduce other issues.
Nah. You shouldn't be able to say Nazi shit in Canada without repercussions. The owner of twitter is a Nazi. It should be banned here. The free market of ideas is a lie told by Nazis to make it legal for them to recruit others into Nazism.
I guess Elon is privy to most Canadian Government contact information. Hopefully this'll change soon.
Nobody should be using Titter.... Sorry I meant Twitter. Please continue to use Titter.
Please.
All anonymous social media threatens democracy.
I've done my best over the years, but regular people can't compete with the resources of a nation-state that decides to go on a social media influence campaign. No matter how right you are, it's near impossible to win over public opinion while having 20 times your numbers arguing against you, bandwagoning, and "helping" you by creating easily defeatable strawmans.
It's really hard to be outnumbered in an argument and then also argue with your "allies" that no, that's not what you meant. And when the average third party reads over all of that, what are the odds they pick out your small part? You need those odds to be around 70% or more, and they're just not.
And that's if you don't just get banned by hostile moderators. I don't know if you're aware of how most moderators are chosen, but it's not a job interview. And if it is a job interview, it's in Mandarin or Russian. Even if it's a legit mod, they're going to be one of those average third parties that have been subject to all those other arguments.
Today someone said, "Burn the (US) Democratic party to the ground". That's so hard to deal with. There are two parties in the US, and you chose that statement?!? The prevailing sentiment spreads. There are valid criticisms to make of the Democratic party, absolutely. Those criticisms needs to be targeted, well-researched, and specific if they're going to be helpful. So you're one or ten or a hundred people trying to improve the shitshow. Meanwhile there's a mix of natural sentiment, seeded sentiment, and fake sentiment making arguments all over the spectrum for your side, and their number in the tens or hundreds or thousands. And that's before you get to the actual opposing side, which has its own, similar nuances and outnumbering tactics.
Oh, and don't forget, you're not immune to the tide. They'll feed you false information that aligns with your arguments just to discredit you. Something like "Lottery winner pays 70% in tax. Only billionaire to be taxed properly." That's not how that works. They pay the same 37% or whatever top marginal rate everyone else does (and then state).
I think it's possible to have pseudo-anonymous social media, but some authority has to know who you are and where you're from. The giveaways of propaganda Twitter posts with Russian flags were a clumsy mistake and unlikely to continue voluntarily. Whoever that authority is will be uncomfortable for us, but the only reason we're comfortable without verification is that we're used to it.
there is no way I'd give up anonymity online.
that meme that circulated a couple days ago that showed all the ways bumper stickers make you a target is a great illustration. if my name was tied to everything I said online, I wouldn't say anything, since I'd just be making myself a target.
the solution is to spread media literacy, which is a pretty oblique attack on the problem, but it's a lasting solution.