As long as we don’t forget that many human rights issues have been mislabeled “culture wars” to detract from their importance. The first battle in the class war will ever be the battle for solidarity, for we cannot stand together unless we all stand equal.
this post was submitted on 17 Apr 2025
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Yeah I’m tired of people fighting for basic rights and access to information being said to be engaging in culture war
I read a comment from a far right poster saying: “We would’ve been fine living out our lives. But you democrats just keep pushing.”
And I can’t help but get furious. WHAT is “pushing”? Who is being “pushed out”?? These people have so many blinders on for every form of change in the world, and see everything as an attack on them personally.
They are suffering from the degrading material conditions of capitalism and attributing the progress of other groups as the cause. That's it for most of them. And that's being fed to them by Media all day long. It's not much more complicated than that.
Most aren't married to racist or xenophobic beliefs. Often times you don't need to even address those beliefs directly. It is much easier to direct their anger at their boss. Everyone has a boss that is fucking them over.
It's why I'm never gonna have a pointless conversation about trans rights with my coworker when he starts talking about "men in women's sports". I'm gonna say "yeah, I don't know about all that and I really don't care. I care more about what they're doing to labor rights. You know are boss can do x,y,z".
I DO care about trans rights. But he doesn't. I'm not trying to be his friend. I'm just trying to redirect his anger. That's really the best I can do.
I'm not saying we don't need to address existing structures of inequality. But that trying to first "change the mind of a racist" and only then redirect their anger into class solidarity is the wrong path. At least when you're just talking to some transphobic coworker.
The anger needs to be redirected first. It is significantly easier to address racism and xenophobia when they are no longer the scapegoat for the material problems all of the working class are facing.
Generation wars are just like fighting over astrological signs.
Damn Aries bought all the candy from the store leaving none for the rest of us.
Come on man one generation has voted to fuck our eyes out for the last 50 years. Look at all the 65 plus politicians still hoarding the power and wealth, still winning elections... Who helped destroy the occupy Wall Street movement because fuck them kids my 401k retirement money... Who is indoctrinating their grandkids into hate and division currently? You didn't stand up then you aren't gonna stand up now. At least that generation could be honest and admit they were lied to. After Nixon and Reagan you voted in two bushes and a double trump term you all can get fucked.
So, black folk of that generation are the same as white folk of that generation? So trans folk of that generation are the same as the rich white politicians of that generation?
See how stupid that all sounds?
That's you that is.
Also when you call me you... I'm not even American you vapid hoser. I didn't vote any of your shit show in, and yet we still all have to live with it. In a way you are more responsible for all of those things than I'll ever be.
- unless what you've written is an intentional parody, in which case, that's brilliant work.
You know what sounds stupid you saying "black folk". You know what sounds even stupider. "I'm not american, but I have read and consumed enough American produced propaganda and I feel really informed on a subject."
Unchecked Capitalism doesn't have a race, gender, or sexual identity.
I hope you enjoy explaining your bullshit to your grandkids while the worlds climate is scorched and raze.
But saying All Boomers did this is the way forward. You are a nuanced progressive, and I wish you well on fixing things from this perspective. Good luck soldier.
They as a generation have burned all the good will I can stomach. Now they can prove they aren't part of the problem. Soon enough they will finally go the way of the dinosaur and I just hope they didn't corrupt the youth into their image.
That is a nice parody of the nonsense strawman arguments used by generation warriors. Because that is a parody, right? Right?
Boomers failing to take responsibility for something nahhhh definitely parody /s. It isn't even in the radar how this is the consequences of their actions.
Boomers. Yes all people born between those years are completely the same. From wall street to the punks, to the folk that marched at Selma. From the poor and disenfranchised to the rich and wealthy. To those of the north and those from the south.
People who were born in america then are the same as people who immigrated. Just because they were born in the same time span.
Those who were exploited by the military industrial complex are the same as those who profited from it? Right? That's what you are saying. That they are all equally responsible because they grew up in the same era.
Its a lazy construct that allows people to feel like they can blame indiscriminately without taking responsibility and agency.
A gross generalisation of people based on nothing but a common timeframe that erases their struggles and their successes.
It should be class war but you fell for the lie of generational war.
Be better.
So apparently you think there's no options other than "every person in this generation is exactly the same" and "generations have no bearing on identity at all".
Generations are raised at a similar time with similar cultural events that shaped them as a whole. To claim that the time a generation is raised does not affect them as a population is to claim that nothing that happens during people's childhood affects their personality for the rest of their lives.
An entire generation in America was raised on Dr. Spock's The Common Sense Book of Baby and Child Care, another was raised on Sesame Street, does that make no difference?
One generation was raised to be afraid of stranger danger, another was kicked out of the house and told not to come back until it was dark. But to you, they're still the same?
Class matters, but to pretend that it's the only thing that matters is putting Marxist blinders on your reality.
That's such a massive generalisation it is comical.
Even if that were true for America, it still isn't true on a global scale.
I mean, do you think everyone of your generation is the same and has the same values? I'm genuinely interested in that.
Ok, so you do think the only options are "exactly the same" or "nothing alike". No shit it's a generalization, the discussion is about the general population of a country born within the same ~20-year timespan.
I think everyone in my generation was raised at the advent of the internet, and had 9/11 as a defining moment in their childhood. I think they entered the workforce around the Great Recession, and it affected the way they see the idea of corporate culture and their likelihood of achieving 'The American Dream'. I think those events affected my generation differently than they do one born 40 years before, since they were at a different stage in their lives.
To ignore that is to be willfully blind. You can easily look up polling data by generation at each stage in their lives and see that each generation as a whole has different attitudes about politics, or desired income, or family preference.
So here's the thing, we are fundamentally on the same side of this divide.
I'm anticapitalist, anti-corporate, liberal left.
And yet here we are shouting at each other.
Interestingly we are also the same generation.
Admittedly, from two different continents.
But I believe we want the same thing.
What we are arguing about is how we achieve that.
I don't believe in generalisation. I'm not sure that it helps when facing the problems we both face. I don't thinkblumping people in as a whole is an effective way to make allies across divides.
For me, this includes Americans. Many people I know think all Americans are crass, shallow capitalists who support a reigime that colonises through oppressive power and cultural dominance.
But if I believe that, then I believe you are part of that.
I don't want to believe that. I want to believe that you care to make a change and that being part of a whole that doesn't represent you doesn't stop you from resisting it.
You are not my enemy, despite being part of a thing we see as the enemy.
So here I am, calling a truce. I'm calling time on our disagreement and trying to show you that I mean what I say.
In return I want you to think about how you see boomers, or any generation though. They are not your enemy. They are just the definition of your enemy.
Agreed.
The strategy since the dawn of time is to make the peasants fight each other, instead of the Aristos who are the real enemy.
I'm not gonna jump into the culture wars but I'm also not gonna leave behind my trans/poc brothers and sisters.
It would be nice if we all realized that we out number the wealthy thousands to one.
Some of the generation wars are heavily interrelated with the class war: like generational wealth. There is actual overlap sometimes, even though I otherwise mostly agree with this point.
Typical political meme with way too many words.
the blue side wants kids to have free school lunch
the red side wants minorities to be shipped to el salvador
it’s totally both sides the same!