Plus, inhaling graphite dust since it doesn't fall doesn't sound fun.
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Plus, graphite dust and electronics are also not a great combination.
Hardly anything is less problematic than graphite. No idea why you think that is an issue.
You're probably thinking "it's just carbon, nbd", but that doesn't mean it's good for your lungs:
https://www.inchem.org/documents/icsc/icsc/eics0893.htm
"Repeated or prolonged inhalation of dusts may cause effects on the lungs. This may result in graphite pneumoconiosis"
I mean water is toxic if you drink too much. The amount of dust of a pencil is negligible... now graphite from pencil production? Thats more concerning.
“I mean, water is toxic if you drink too much”
Translation: “my argument is lazy and not really well thought out, I’m not going to even acknowledge your point, I’m just gonna double down”
No it’s not. He said that the dose from writing with a pencil is trivial, but working in a factory that produces such pencils could potentially be dangerous, presumably because that’s a much higher sustained dose.
What do you mean? Graphite can be fine or sharp, you saying it's fine to breathe in? I know I wouldn't want to breath in a broken tip of a pencil.
All this concern about particles when breathing in whole pencils is the most dangerous of all!
It’s carbon dust, which your body is pretty good at dealing with, and in quantities so trivial you probably already inhale more currently than you would using a pencil in an otherwise mostly sterile spaceship (at least sterile compared to earth)
Have you broken a pencil tip? I wouldn't want to breath that in after it goes flying.
Besides that, NASA wasn't the one that funded the research behind the pen, they bought the completed pens. The expenses for the research were funded by Fisher
NASA still foots the bill either way. In this arrangement, the cost of development is simply included in the price of the product plus a fixed profit margin. Such 'cost-plus' contracts are criticized because it eliminates competing for efficiency and incentivises contractors to make their solutions as complicated and expensive as possible.
Except this wasn't a cost plus contract, this was NASA buying a thing at discount on the open market. In fact, the USSR paid the same discounted bulk price per pen that NASA did.
Your points about a cost-plus contract have merit but aren’t applicable here because the pens weren’t developed under a contract at all. Paul Fisher of the Fisher Pen Company had started developing a pressurized pen before the space program even began (to develop a pen that could write in other orientations than on a desk), although learning of the concerns from the program gave him renewed impetus to solve the design. Fisher patented the design in 1966 after ten years of development and about $1 million in cost. Prior to the pens NASA had been purchasing special pencils at $128.89/each. The original purchase order for the pens bought 400 at $2.95/each.
The Soviet space program bought the pens in 1969, and besides the Americans they’re still used today by the Russian and Chinese space programs. You can buy one yourself for as little as $7 if you don’t care about it being refillable. On the one hand that’s a lot for a disposable pen, on the other hand that’s not terribly expensive for a pen that writes upside-down if you need that, and might not feel too bad if you’re prone to losing pens.
Can we still buy one of the special space pencils? Were they low-dust or something?
Yeah, what’s the story with these pencils?
Also don’t felt tip pens write upside down?
they will for a bit
Pens are dust-free as is, the problem with a regular ballpoint or felt tip pen is that both inking mechanisms rely on gravity. When you're in 0g the ballpoint won't work at all and the felt will stop working after a point when there's no gravity to pull more ink to the tip.
You could probably spin a felt until it rewets but you'd be liable to make a mess as well.
Now this is the calligraphic geekout I came here to see
To add onto the other comment:
NASA wouldn't have to pay anything if the research didn't work out and maybe even avoided other companies who then weren't compensated for their efforts.
This is inaccurate. Graphite is not flammable. It forms small particles that, mixed with air, could combust in a dust explosion, just like flour.
I'm probably just being dense but what's the difference between being flammable and being susceptible to combustion?
They’re referring to the relationship between surface area and combustion. Talc, for example, melts but does not burn. Talc powder can ignite if blown over an open flame.
My first thought was: "I must try this". I need to read my house insurance policy first.
Curiosity got the better of me when I waved an alcohol wipe over an open flame. There's still a dark mark on the office carpet tile from where I had to stamp it out.
Please invest in a fire blanket and keep it near by when you do stupid things with fire.
Signed, a fellow fire bug
Mine paid for itself the first time a flame got out of control while I was having some fun. No lasting burns to human or objects in my office lol.
Let it be someone else’s carpet. Or in this case, driveway.
Skip to 3:10 for the action.
Keep away from dust explosions, they are very uncontrollable because they ignite very fast and produce a lot of heat. It's technically not an explosion, but it definitely is an easy way to burn your house down.
Mythbusters did this with coffee whitener as I recall. Impressive.
This has also happened to sawmills and flour mills, under less controlled circumstances.
In technical safety terms, combustibles are harder to ignite than flammables. So diesel and olive oil are combustibles, for example, because neither of them give off enough ignitable vapour at room temperature. Ethanol does, so it gets classified as flammable, and you need to store and handle it more carefully than diesel. Then there's really horrible stuff like triethylborane which will catch fire upon meeting oxygen even at temperatures well below the freezing point of water
Of course in casual usage they mean the same thing
You're not dense for asking a question. Without asking questions, it's Impossible to learn.
The flash point is different. The flash point is the temperature that is necessary to create enough vapor for the substance to ignite.
Flammable material has a low flash point, which means it catches on fire easily. Think gasoline. Combustibles need a higher initial temperature, but eventually they will burn and sustain the burning until running out. Think wood.
Makes perfect sense, thank you
You misgendered round spicy flames
That.. are you kidding? Can't you read?
OP was wrong, it wasn't pens. Youre wrong, flammability wasn't the problem.
Jesus christ
I don’t know where you got any of this, your comment makes the least sense of anyone in this post, and some of these people are actually wrong
Wood.
Wood is also combustible. You need a lot of heat to make wood burn. Hold a lighter to your pencil, it will not instantly catch fire, do the same with paper and you need a water bucket nearby.
Yeah, try lighting your pencil on fire in a 100% O2 environment. It's not the pencil being flammable that was dangerous, it was the pure oxygen atmosphere making the pencil extremely flammable to the point where a small spark from static electricity could cause it to almost instantly immolate, that made it dangerous.
Let us just note that this would be impossible when using it to write something.
...when your budget is infinite vs when you just want to blast someone into space
Both superpowers had effectively infinite budgets for the space programs. The difference is, America's was subject to Congress. The Soviet program was subject to the Party.
And Paul Fisher really just wanted to make a cool pen that can reliably write upside down. Congress and The Party agreed that the pen was cool and bought a couple hundred each.
100% oxygen environments are flammable
That wasn't the problem. The problem was graphite fragments floating around until they hit something with a charge to it, and then they shorted important systems.
NASA used crayons before those space pens, and iirc the pens were available for a while before they tried them
Empires wasting resources on nonflammable space pens while the whole planet burns.
Technically correct. i guess, money better spent elsewhere
I have one on my keychain, highly recommend
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