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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 169 points 2 weeks ago (42 children)

IANAL but in my reading of the text of the bill the only way for a married woman that took her partner's last name (that wasn't in the military with her married name) to be able to vote if this becomes law is for them to spend at least $30 to get a USA Passport card. This would tick all the boxes the bill requires for these women:

  • Government ID
  • Shows citizenship status (by nature of it being a Passport)
  • Shows place of birth
  • Shows the married last name

...or as I'm calling it:

This is violation of the 24th Amendment banning poll Taxes.

In this case, its a required fee married women must pay to be able to use their Constitutional guaranteed right to vote granted by the 19th Amendment. How is this not a poll tax by another name on married women?

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 37 points 2 weeks ago

Worse getting the card is a major pita with the documentation and photo and having to mail it for first time.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

It always seems to me that this wouldn't be such a big problem if the US had a working bureaucracy. I know $30 can be a significant sum (plus the pictures and other expenses) but it would be less of a hurdle if

  • relevant offices were within reasonable distance
  • they were sufficiently manned
  • all or part of the process could be done online
  • the government actually strives to make these processes as user-friendly as possible

This is something Americans rarely talk about because it's just assumed that everybody knows? Maybe somebody could explain to a EU dweller.

edit: maybe I didn't phrase this properly. I'm fully aware that preventing people from voting has a long "tradition" in the US; my question was more general I guess, and meant as an "in addition to the points already mentioned".

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Consider this too. A woman has all of her ducks in a row with her married last name, and then divorces her POS republican husband. Now she needs to re-establish her identity all over again.

For the ladies out there (or anyone getting married) keep your last name. My partner kept theirs, and it tickles them pink when the systemic chauvinism gets reversed and I get called by their last name.

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[–] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 153 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

I love how they never once mention in the article that Republicans wrote the bill, proposed it, and 100% of them voted in favor of it.

But, despite all that...the headline still reads, "Democrats passed it".

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 154 points 2 weeks ago

Because we expect that from Republicans. It’s the democrats defecting that is the worrisome part.

[–] libra00@lemmy.world 95 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The fact that Republicans want to take away peoples' ability to vote isn't really news, but the fact that any Democrats supported it is.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It fucking should be news, and anyone trying to shift blame to Democrats is a goddamn shill.

[–] libra00@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

To be fair it has been news, for the 20+ years they've been doing it. When I say 'it's not news' I don't mean 'it's not newsworthy' - it absolutely is - just that it should not be surprising to anyone, so focusing on democrat support for it is definitely the bigger deal and should definitely be the headline. Those 4 democrats are not 'to blame' for this, it would have passed anyway, but their complicity with fascism should absolutely be reported and remembered.

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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 19 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Try to primary them and see how fast the Democratic establishment is to come to their defense. "Democrats" is fair. Not all Democrats, but the party establishment is rotten.

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[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 125 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (37 children)

“Four democrats passed this,” but we are just going to ignore the 216 conservatives that passed it?

So when do we get to start calling bullshit like this propaganda?

[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 46 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Everyone already knows all the republicans supported it; anything under their jurisdiction is already a lost cause. What I want to know is how many people from the "left" party can't even keep their own votes on the right side of history. It's not news when villains are villains - it's news when the people who say they're here to fight back against the villains are caught supporting them, and it's important not to drown out that important detail among a bunch of already-known regressives. People need to see that the current democratic party isn't a viable defense against conservativism, and that we need to do something more to get things moving in the right direction again than simply trusting democrats to fix everything.

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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

My initial reaction to this headline was: "what now?", and my first reaction on reading the article was "oh, it's a continuation of the horror show that calls itself US government - not actually something that four democrats are responsible for"

So I'm totally with you. Stop the sanewashing of the continued and systematic madness rising to ever new heights of depravity, should be the headline.

Republicans built the foundation for what's happening now for decades, and it was always like you said in your other comment: "Conservatives have survived on their ability to never be held accountable for what they do." Well, slightly more differentiated.

This bill is yet another voter supression tool. This is what they ultimately want: you have to be rich, male, of a certain ethic, and "white" to have a say. And they're almost there. If voting was really made easy for everyone, do you really think the GOP would still win?
This is yet another piece of codified and systemic racism, misogyny, homo- and transphobia, richism.
The hollowing out of what was once a working, relatively democratic system to a point where even the empty shell is starting to break up.

All that said, Democrats should start wielding what power they have (both in the government and in media, public opinion etc.) way more decisively. Between elections we must talk about how fucked up both parties are.

This comment (from this post) puts it best imho:
https://lemmy.world/comment/16414382
https://feddit.org/post/10702307/6001640

[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

People expect the representative they voted for to vote how they want. Conservatives' representative voted as they wanted. Whereas Democrats' representative voted against their wishes. Hence the outrage.

This is a simplistic explanation, 4 Democratic representative might have voted as their constituents have demanded.

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[–] goofus@lemmy.today 93 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Jared Golden, Marie Gluesenkamp Perez, Henry Cuellar, and Ed Case

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Marie Gluesenkamp Perez sold out the US on another important vote at some point in the recent past. Her name was unique enough to remember. Are the other three also habitual free agents?

[–] Walican132@lemmy.today 13 points 2 weeks ago

Yep she’s a piece of shit and it’s pissing me off. I get the alternative would have been voting the same but now I have disappointment as well.

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[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 76 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No Democrat should vote for a single Nazi bill, ever.

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[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 50 points 2 weeks ago

they are called collaborators. Nazi Collaborators..

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 39 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

IT FUCKING PASSED?

We have long crossed the Rubicon.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

It passed the house a few days ago, from my understanding it is less likely to pass the Senate

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[–] Houseman@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Pretending to be a democrat seems to be more and more common. We need a way to vet them.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Fuck vetting. We need a way for citizens to recall these lying fuckers.

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[–] dick_fineman@discuss.online 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Or at least vote for the progressive in the primary first.

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[–] LMurch@thelemmy.club 23 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

But that means something like 204 democrats voted against. Maybe if those 4 hadn't of supported the bill, it might have failed, but you can't blame the democrats for a shitty bill when 97% voted against.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

It still would have passed. 208-212

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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They ONLY did That because they had NO CHOICE! If you WANT them to NOT Vote for it you have to DONATE and VOTE! Well maybe Not VOTE anymore if you're a Woman or Disabled or in a Rural Area or Poor but DEFINITELY DONATE!

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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 22 points 2 weeks ago

im not surprised these DINOs are here, theres like 10 in then senate and probably just as many in the house.

[–] Gowron_Howard@lemm.ee 21 points 2 weeks ago

Wonder how much they’re getting paid?

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (20 children)

Democratic leadership is a joke. Jefferies and Schumer need to step down. This is pathetic.

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[–] TripleIris@lemmy.wtf 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not these four cowardly DINOs that make me lose faith in this country. It's the people continuing to defend them.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Ok whew, we are truly almost back to the 1890's, Trumpublicans apparently favored era of America.

19th Ammendment was passed back in... 1920.

Basically this undoes women's suffrage, so married women either just can't vote, or will face massive uneccesarry hurdles voting.

And of course transfolk as well, they're now pretty much ~~formerly~~ formally (ducking autocorrect) disenfranchised.

I wonder, do we have bootleggers (smugglers) for abortifacients, birth control, horomone therapy drugs yet?

I guess that'll be the 'growth market'.

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

This headline is horseshit so I've only read enough to establish that much and am ignoring the rest of the article. Someone post a different one.

Here's all you need to know from the article:

Republicans, and apparently some Democrats

many have warned that it could even make it harder for married women to vote.

The only conclusion you should draw is this: Marin Scotten of the New Republic is full of shit and shall not be trusted ever. You may conclude as you wish about all other matters based on other sources.

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