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[–] Lemmist@lemm.ee 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"But won't", everyone thinks.

Not with America as a part of it

[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Have Ukraine ever considered "attacking" (without human casualties or fake the casualties) a NATO country to force Article 5 so that NATO troops can enter and be deployed to secure Ukraine?

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately America right now would decide to spearhead that one.

[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

That is true, they might take over Ukraine and hand it over to russia, maybe it is really time to encourage US to leave NATO and UN. Or convert US into just a NATO partner and not a member.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Imagine the US coming back to the UN in a few years and being told "You're welcome back but you'll be just like any other member now instead of having veto privileges, now go sit in the corner."

[–] Lemmist@lemm.ee 3 points 4 days ago

Yes, in that corner with Hungary, Greatest Korea, USSR-wannabe and... that small dictator of nobody even remebers the name of the country.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Under a sane US president that's crazy enough to work but Trump and his fuckups will use it as a justification to toss Zelensky themselves

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

It technically only says all parties will take what actions they deem necessary after an attack. Which could just be sending weapons similar to what they've been doing. The power of NATO comes from the military integration and economic mixing such that the incentives are aligned for one country to defend the others, not just the words on the page of the treaty.