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[–] Steve@communick.news 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Conflicting things could be true at the same time in different places. Having one ruler doesn't require one set of rules. There could be, and would need to be different rules for different communities.

One person who understands and is willing to accommodate that, is an example of the kind of super human trait I was referring to. An AI might be willing to do that, and slowly nudge over generations, differing communities toward a more globally compatible culture.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Conflicting things could be true at the same time in different places. Having one ruler doesn’t require one set of rules. There could be, and would need to be different rules for different communities.

So its like what we already have today then, yes? What would prevent those different places from going to war with each other over their differences?

An AI might be willing to do that, and slowly nudge over generations, differing communities toward a more globally compatible culture.

You're providing another great example except I don't think you intend to. Your hypothetical example for the perfect ruler is one that works to unify the world into a single culture. Thats one definition of genocide. I don't actually think you mean for that, but your definition can certainly match the word.

Already you and I don't agree on that path, because the ideas we have are mutually exclusive. We can't have one part of the world that is working toward a single unifying culture while the other have embraces and celebrates the diversity of our many cultures. If one vision of the world is going to exist, one of those groups has to bend to the will of the other.

[–] Steve@communick.news 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

My statement you quoted says nothing remotely like "unify the world into a single culture." Read it again. "a more globally compatible culture."

There are many different yet compatible cultures, that are able to exist together in the world. It's really only certain aspects of a few cultures which drive them to be intolerant of other cultures, that would need to be changed.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

“a more globally compatible culture.”

My apologies. You used a singular there in your language. I took that to mean one.

There are many different yet compatible cultures, that are able to exist together in the world. It’s really only certain aspects of a few cultures which drive them to be intolerant of other cultures, that would need to be changed.

So a set of compatible cultures then. What about the ones that aren't compatible? What happens with those?

[–] Steve@communick.news 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

It’s really only certain aspects of a few cultures which drive them to be intolerant of other cultures, that would need to be changed.

Those certain aspects which cause intolerance, would need to be changed. Nothing more.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Those certain aspects which cause intolerance, would need to be changed. Nothing more.

Nothing more? You're handwaving away massive changes needed to many groups including erasing or altering their culture or identity. I'll keep playing your game though.

Okay, so here's a statement from a Muslim scholar on the doctrine in the Qurʾān:

God is one and unique; he has no partner and no equal. Trinitarianism, the Christian belief that God is three persons in one substance, is vigorously repudiated.

source

So one side believes in one god, while the other believes in three persons in one substance.

Both have extreme groups within each religion that believe only their way is correct, and will use violence when needed to prove it. Which one gets changed, and who decides who gets their belief system altered so they aren't intolerant?

[–] Steve@communick.news 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

You're still thinking in very small human scales. Culture isn't fixed. All cultures are dynamic. They rise, change, change again, and disappear, throughout the ages. 500 years ago the landscape of various Christian and Muslim cultures were vastly different than they are now. An immortal Artificial Super Intelligence could spend centuries, hundreds of generations or more, subtly tweaking all the various cultures toward a more harmonious coexistence.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

You’re still thinking in very small human scales.

I read enough speculative sci-fi to know the idea you're talking about.

An immortal Artificial Super Intelligence could spend centuries, hundreds of generations or more, subtly tweaking al thel various cultures toward a more harmonious coexistence.

You're saying that like its a good thing. For all of humanities faults, I'll take them over humanity being controlled by something else. R. Daneel Olivaw tried and it wasn't a great ride for humanity.

[–] Steve@communick.news 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

The Galactic Empire was peaceful for thousands of years.
You'd rather have constant war and chaos?

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” – Benjamin Franklin

[–] Steve@communick.news 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

And if you don't have to give up liberty?
It's a false dichotomy to think it's only either or.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

No need to be coy. If you have the answer (that you haven't already shared) then don't let me stop you. Explain.

[–] Steve@communick.news 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Answer to what? The question I asked you? I don't have an answer.
Safety without giving up liberty just seems fine to me.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Answer to what? The question I asked you? I don’t have an answer.

Your prior question. If you don't have the answer, how can you claim that there is one?

You're assertion is that humanity, left to its own devices, would cause chaos and death (I don't disagree). Yet, you also say that a sufficient AI could make changes to humanity to make it less so. If the humans didn't make those changes themselves, then they have lost their autonomy. Yet you say that isn't so.

If the answer is as true as you say, why the are you being so coy with the answer?

[–] Steve@communick.news 1 points 4 hours ago

I'm still not sure I understand exactly. Are you asking about individual autonomy, or the collective autonomy of humanity?

I would say there's no real difference on an individual level. I guess conceptually, humanity as a collective entity, might loose autonomy. But I'm not sure that matters.