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DA says 40 UnitedHealthcare execs got bodyguards, and one dyed her hair after Luigi Mangione killed CEO Brian Thompson
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this post was submitted on 06 Jun 2025
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This post either needs to be removed or retitled. Luigi is not convicted and this perpetuates a huge problem in the US of assigning guilt to people through public opinion.
There is nothing here stating Mangione has been convicted of anything.
"after Luigi Mangione killed CEO Brian Thompson" is the problem - he allegedly killed that guy
"DA says..." This is not the author making that assessment, it's the DA. Naturally the DA is going to say he killed the guy, same as I do, or anyone making Luigi memes does.
There's no obligation for a reporter to insert "allegedly" where it was not stated.
And the DA is wrong for saying that, alongside the reporter for not correcting them.
You sound like the type of person Brandolini's Law is based on.
If you ever created, shared, or upvoted a Luigi meme, then you agree with the sentiment.
It's apparently too hard to have proper journalism I guess.
"DA alleges...". There fixed it
It's saying he murdered the CEO, when he has not been proven/convicted of doing so. How are you a moderator making decisions like that?
If nobody believes he killed the CEO then everyone needs to immediately retract all the Luigi memes.
It's clear he shot the guy, the only question is how justified it is.
Innocent until some guy on Lemmy says otherwise?
Oh wait, no, it still has to be proven.
Unless you were present at the time, you've seen some videos. Perhaps it's not likely, but videos can be faked, more easily now than ever before.
Proof first.
Lemmy isn't a court of law, neither is the Internet. It's pretty much universally accepted he killed the guy, if it wasn't, we wouldn't have the hero worship.
What the court is going to decide is if he's justified or not.
Proceeds to cite general Internet opinion as proof of guilt.
Again, this isn't about "guilt". Guilt implies some level of wrongdoing, and the court is still out on that.
The question they will determine is "was he justified", not "did he do it."
The court is also going to need to decide if the cops planted the evidence he conveniently carried with him several days later.
Any conspiracy theory is going to do some heavy lifting explaining how the highly custom pistol in the video is not the same highly custom pistol found on Luigi.
What?
Wasn't it all 3d printed?
I never heard the brand but I'd bet it was an 80% like the vast majority are. There are millions of those guns.
No, nothing was found on Luigi.
He had a backpack and hours after his arrest it was searched after chain of custody was violated, nothing in there is admissable evidence.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/28/us/luigi-mangione-evidence-illegal-search
Even if it was a rare gun, it can't legally be linked to Luigi, that's just how our legal system works.
Bonus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXsG6BO292w
Exactly. Looks a lot like they found the gun near the scene of the crime, and then planted it in his backpack. That makes a lot more sense than him hauling it and an incriminating manifesto with him for several days. If he wanted to do the manifesto thing he'd have left it at the scene of the crime. None of that evidence makes sense.
I mean, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is...
It's very hard to believe this guy just had all the evidence a prosecutor could want, literally in a nice little bag and he was just fucking taking it a long on a bus journey.
It might have happened, but cops fucking lie.
If cops didn't plant evidence, we wouldn't have to have laws about chain of custody. Rich people get off on tiny loopholes all the time, this is a foundational principle of our legal system.
3D printed lower and silencer:
https://coloradoceasefire.org/2025/01/14/luigi-mangiones-ghost-gun-was-only-partially-3d-printed-experts-say/
So...
A common 3d printed gun...
And you sure as shit can't ID it in the video, that's just the ones the cops say was in a backpack that they say Luigi had....
And like I've said before, the backpack isn't admissible evidence.
Like. You're operating under the assumption that whatever the police do is ok, and I struggle to understand how an American can have that much faith in the American criminal justice system.
People get off on way less all the time man, he's got money and it doesn't take much to beat reasonable doubt. Especially when the cops fuck up this bad.
Again, admissable doesn't enter into it. That's something for the court to determine.
It's plain everyone believes Luigi killed the guy.
This is Luigi:
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There is no question he killed the guy, the only question is justification.
Do you understand that the picture with the hood up is from earlier at a hostel?
Your little collage is cropped, but isn't Luigi wearing a completely different backpack in the one on the right than the shooter is in the middle.
You can't just throw a picture of the shooter in between two pics of Luigi and claim that proves something.
Do you have any idea how many people have greenish coats in NYC any given morning?
And how many got caught with the gun and a hand-written manifesto? It's plain Luigi plugged the guy, the only question is if it's justified, that's what the court will determine.
You trust the cops. Why would you? They've been proven, just in the last five years, to have planted evidence on innocent people.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-throws-man-guilty-plea-224510985.html
That doesn't matter if it can't be evidence...
We're just going in circles.
You believe the cops because things the cops said...
Most can't do that anymore
I agree that "DA says..." is equal to "alleged," but you lost the thread with "it's clear he shot the guy."
There are two groups of people:
People who think Luigi's a criminal who needs to be imprisoned or executed.
People who think Lugi's a hero who was fully justified in his actions.
Both groups agree he killed the guy. There is no argument outside tin-foil-hattery that he didn't.
The only question remaining is if it's justified or not.
Mangione has not admitted to the act nor has he been convicted. He has a right to the presumption of innocence. The state must prove his guilt. Trial by public opinion in the media is not a replacement for a jury of his peers. That is an elementary democratic principle, not a conspiracy theory.
Of course he's not going to admit anything, he's not a dummy. But it should be obvious to anyone with 1/2 a brain he's the shooter, the only question is "was it justified?"
In that regard, he seems to be winning the battle for public opinion and has been even before he was ID'd.
I keep half expecting this moment at trial:
https://youtu.be/mCjBspxuUmU
It's really not...
You cant say for sure it's him in the video, and while cops say he had a bunch of evidence on him, they also say they didn't find that evidence till after the chain of custody was violated. Nothing in his backpack is admissible.
Like, this is America bro, corrupt cops isn't anything new. They lie all the time, you can't fault the majority of Americans for not caring what they say as a result.
It's not up to you or me to say what's admissable or not. The gun in the video is the gun in the backpack. If you want to argue the cops planted it, then you have to explain how they got it.
Occams Razor - Luigi failed to ditch the gun.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/12/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting-suspect-thursday-hnk
"Marked shell casings from the assassination scene match the gun found on the suspect. His fingerprints match some key items investigators found nearby. And he was arrested this week – after going silent from his mom and friends for months – with a fake ID and a handwritten “claim of responsibility” referencing the crime site."
https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/28/us/luigi-mangione-evidence-illegal-search
It might be the gun.
It might even have been in the backpack and Luigi just had it on him.
But it doesn't matter, the cops pulled a Mark Furhman. They're not used to having to follow the law, so they fuck up high profile shit.
Nothing in the backpack will be admissable. And all the evidence was from the backpack.
Ideally. Fruit of the poison tree and all that.
It's clear he shot the guy because people make memes??
No, people make memes because it's clear he shot the guy.
I should add too... nothing in the headline is saying Luigi "murdered" anyone. The word is "killed" and that's not the crime.
The act of homicide on it's own isn't a crime. The circumstances will determine if it's murder, manslaughter, etc. etc.
You don't need a conviction to say someone killed someone else, that part is self evident.
Was it justified? Was it murder? That's what the courts will determine.
He was dead the moment he got caught. Nevermind guilty. I don't care how many technicalities or strategies his lawyer might have. There's no way in hell the powers that be will let him have anything other than being made a harsh example for all of us plebs.
This isn't about him commiting the crime of murder. This about scaring us into submission so we don't get any ideas. Even if he's actually innocent because of they don't catch the killer they can't use it as an example, so they need someone.
He's not walking. Get ready for the inevitable. Even if the word of the law is on his side they'll pull something last moment. It's really naive to think they'd ever allow themselves being made a joke by us.