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Why don't the whole planet just use UTC+00:00 / Universal Time without time zones?
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"Why don't you even look at Wikipedia?"
"UGH NO NOT LIKE THAT"
Bro, just admit that you're surprised I actually do know something about the history of timekeeping and we can move on. Or tell me where you think I'm wrong and we can move on. One way or another, this "huehue I know somethin u dont know" routine is getting really tired, so I'm going to start ignoring the unsourced nonsense.
Actually, they're a pretty standard length for me. I'm fairly verbose, and always have been.
Unsupported assertions are definitely a great way to convince me, that's for sure. We've definitely proven that.
Said, yes. With no support or evidence for your claims, so I treat them as nonsense.
I absolutely love being proven wrong, actually! I like learning new things, and it totally floors people when I admit that they were right and apologize. But you have yet to actually prove literally anything, so I'm not particularly hopeful about that this time.
It's just random insults if you don't have any facts to back it up. You look like an abusive fool, rather than like you've won an argument. I've been in online arguments, in one forum or another, since like...1995? Earlier? Not sure. There are definitely always idiots around to mock me for what they think is being wrong.
Not angry in the least. I'm having a great time.
Usually people with any evidence at all are super excited to provide it in defense of their point. The fact that you aren't even telling me what your evidence says indicates that you don't have any.
I read a book a while ago about the history of timekeeping. I honestly hadn't even seen the Wikipedia article until today.
But wait! I thought everyone had an inherent understanding of the current worldwide timekeeping method! How could there possibly be any other cultures' timekeeping methods?
Non sequitur.
I'm honored.
Pretty sure I told you that, just a few comments ago.
You have completely mischaracterized my entire comment.
No, I'm just more and more confident all the time that you don't actually have a point and are just hoping that I'll supply one for you in the process of trying to rebut your nonsense.
You're the one that came in swinging with insults and name-calling. The fallacies are the logical equivalent of shouting and banging the table. I quote your replies because I've seen enough bad faith arguments from you that I wouldn't put it past you to just edit your comment or intentionally pretend like I'm responding to something I am not.
You really are a pre-teen, aren't you?
Anyway, this one was way more boring than your usual. You keep on diving deeper and deeper into bad faith arguments, and that's just disappointing. You can do better than that.
You literally don't know anything about the history of timekeeping. That's the point. You keep pretending to, because you've read a Wikipedia article. And you don't see why you're being ridiculed?
The systems which humanity have used have not been arbitrary and every single "argument" you've made showcases your stupidity and ignorance.
How many languages was it you spoke again?
Give me your address and I'll order a "grammar for kids" book and a dictionary for you. In English, as I presume it's the only language you sort of understand.
It's not about the length of your replies, it's about who they're formatted like a teenager with Alzheimer's.
What do you mean "no support for your claims about timekeeping systems not being arbitrary"? You can't be serious. You just can't. You still don't understand what the word arbitrary even means?
:DDdddddd
This is the best wake up comment I could've read. Put a laugh in my day right away hahaha thank you. Also I don't believe a person like you has read a single book in your entire life.
Assertion isn't evidence. You have yet to actually say a single thing about why you think I'm wrong, just that you do. This is not how argumentation and debate work.
This isn't ridicule, it's just baseless name-calling. This is elementary school-level insults. If it were ridicule, it would have any evidence behind it at all. The longer you go without providing any basis for your claims, the more clear it becomes that you have none.
Every system humanity uses is arbitrary. We decide and agree that something arbitrary is useful, and then we decide to imbue that arbitrary thing with meaning.
Words didn't mean anything until we assigned meaning to them, and you can tell they're arbitrary because the same combination of syllables can mean something completely different in another language. For someone who claims to know multiple languages, you should be aware of that. Meters aren't meters because they have to be; we decided that the distance light travels in 0.000000003335641s is a useful amount of distance. We could've easily defined it as the distance light travels in 0.000000003335642s and it wouldn't be any more or less logical.
That's how humans work. We give arbitrary things meaning. You insisting that the shapes in the clouds are definitely sharks doesn't make them sharks. The shapes are arbitrary.
Contrasted with the complete lack of argument you've made.
Aw, buddy, you already tried that insult once. And it wasn't funny the first time.
Now that one's funny! Good job. I knew you could do it.
I mean, support your claims that there's something inherent about timekeeping systems. Something in our brains, or in the rotation of the Earth, or in the physical properties of light, or something that means that high noon has to be represented on the clock as 1200.
That's what "support" means. That's what evidence is. That's what any reasonable, good-faith argument has to include.
I am starting to think that you believe "arbitrary" means "random." But that isn't what it means. It means "randomly chosen," or perhaps "selected without impetus." The Egyptians didn't have to choose twelve constellations; nobody was forcing them to, and there wasn't anything inherent about them that required them to base a system of timekeeping around it.
You're welcome! I love knowing that I'm helping put some joy into the world.
Oh, thanks for the reminder, I forgot to log the book I finished yesterday.
You still can't even answer without making it like homework for yourself, singling out things as if this is some official debate. It isn't. It's just you equivocating.
"Wyaaa everything is actually arbitrary, EVERYTHING! So I was never wrong about it!"
The word "arbitrary" has a non-arbitrary meaning.
You can keep equivocating. It won't change anything. You're still wrong.
Yeah, I now I haven't explained to you in detail why you're wrong, but I assumed you can't be so stupid as to keep arguing that all time keeping systems are arbitrary when I point out the divisibility of hours.
Keep on lying about having read a book, surely saying you're not a moron makes it so that you magically aren't. You're ignorant of just how ignorant you are.
You definitely voted Trump with an IQ like that.
Do I need to paste the meaning of "arbitrary" here again?
Like I said, you don't even speak ONE language fluently while I speak almost a dozen on some level.
"EVERYTHING is arbitrary words don't mean anything I'm never wrong and I'm not lying or pretending"
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When will you realise I've never taken you seriously, clown? You're my ENTERTAINMENT.
Homework? Nah bro. This is just what I do while I wait for my code to compile or my lunch to heat up.
Pretty sure that's not what I said, but go off I guess.
Citation needed.
Ah yes, the one actual fact you've managed to dredge up, and it also just happens to be absolutely coincidental.
I don't have any need for you to believe me. You may feel free to not. I know what I've done and who I am.
I'm 100% absolutely certain this is true! But not in this case.
Definitely not. Even if I was dumb enough, I'm not cruel enough.
I put it into my previous response, so I think we've got it covered for now.
I'm so proud of you. I mean, it's not relevant to the conversation, but still. Good job.
lol, I actually have "WORDS MEAN THINGS" written on the back of a notebook somewhere. That's pretty funny that you'd say that specifically.
I've specifically said multiple times in this conversation that I know I can be wrong and I love being proven wrong. You have yet to do anything of that sort, though.
Probably if you put it in all caps I'll believe you.
You can't even write a short comment without pasting the bits you're commenting?
It looks like you have a genuine memory issue, or this is your first time on forums.
I don't aim to prove anything to you. It is beyond hilarious that you note the divisibility of hours (while not even understanding what the word means, lol) while calling it arbitrary.
"I know what I have done and who I am"
Yup, a pathetic liar. :D
"Oh I'm wondering whether it was a video-series", bitch pls, you saw a random YouTube short or something.
Everything from your behaviour and word's show what an ignorant moron you are and every time you return, you're digging yourself deeper.
How many languages did you speak again? Why's there no time systems with a prime number of hours? If the amount of hours was actually arbitrary, it could. But none are. Why is that? For an arbitrary thing? Or is it that you're still not accepting the word's definition?
It's hilarious how often I end up teaching Americans English.
What's the word "arbitrary" mean again, and why did you claim "every system we use is arbitrary"? You surely weren't using the word wrong, because that'd be a mistake and you looooove admitting to mistakes you make, right? ;>