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A grim poll shows most Jewish Israelis support expelling Gazans. It's brutal - and true
(www.haaretz.com)
this post was submitted on 03 Jun 2025
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It's also not realistically achievable without somehow convincing Israel to willingly dismantle itself, given that a) a significant disparity of military power exists between it and Palestine, which isn't likely to reverse any time soon given that it is nigh impossible for Palestine to build an economic base sufficient to rival Israel while under effective occupation and b) that it is an open secret that Isreal possess nuclear weapons, making some kind of foreign invasion suicidally untenable. Actually launching those weapons would be an extremely dangerous move of course, but a state facing a clear and imminent outside threat to it's existence is exactly the kind of situation where someone might contemplate it.
The most likely thing to work out that I can envision would be if foreign support can at least shore up what remains of Palestine enough to give it sovereignty and at a stretch some means of deterrence against further attack. All that really achieves admittedly is a two state solution, which doesn't result in a Palestine with particularly favorable geography, but if it results in peace there's the hope that the hatred involved can cool with time and new generations until some kind of union can be proposed without the resultant state being at risk of collapsing into a genocidal state again.
Apartheid South Africa and Nazi Germany and all the colonies of the empire didn’t dismantle themselves because people asked them to do so. This has to happen through boycott, divestment, sanctions because I don’t think more war would be the answer, and I am against violence in any form.
Make Israel collapse by putting so much pressure on them that they just can’t anymore. Our governments won’t just do this, so we have to do it ourselves. It’s a slow process, but it’s a process and with every escalation by them it speeds up.
Unfortunately it doesn’t help the Gazans who are being annihilated right now, but the future I outlined is the only future Palestinians deserve.
And armed revolution
I get the idea, and I'm not opposed to things like that, given that they don't seem likely to worsen the situation and might extract some kind of concession from Israel, but I don't expect that it'd be likely to actually work. Israel is not, for it's similarities, exactly the same as South Africa and Nazi Germany (the latter of which, for that matter, didn't exactly collapse just because of economic sanctions), and sanctions have their limits, else for example North Korea would have collapsed long ago, along with a whole host of other regimes that have gained the ire of significant parts of the world for one reason or another.
South Africa was a nuclear power backed by the same countries that now back the genocide. It was hard to imagine back then that the apartheid would end, but it happened.
Yeah as I said, I’m against violence so I advocate for the boycott solution and not for the Nazi Germany treatment even though some might feel like the Zionists would deserve that…
South africa was not an occupation and still used armed resistance. Armed resistance was always a big part of ending occupation.
It would be so great if occupation was ending without a single casualities this is not the case
One other option beyond BDS (and not involving an invasion) would be countries removing diplomatic recognition of Israel and expelling all Israeli diplomats.
This is of course easier said than done, but it's far more viable than any other alternative courses of action.
Doesn’t need to be ‘willing’.
Dismantling it unwillingly requires someone doing it have sufficient military power to defeat Israel by force of arms. Who might that be?
I recommend you to listen to Ilan Pappé. Israel already is on a trajectory of collapse. The society has many inner rifts.Many people who can afford it leave. The economy would fall apart without the lifeline from its allies. When it comes to anything outside of mass slaughtering civilians, invading countries without leadership and blowing up infrastructure, the IDF is a quite incompetent military.
It will not collapse tomorrow and maybe not in 10 years. But in the long run the zionist project is failing. The question remains how much more genocide Israels allies want to squeeze out of the opportunity.