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A new survey showing that 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support the expulsion of Gazans was met with disbelief among those who stubbornly believe that the extremists are outliers. But these trends are as consistent as they are shocking

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 122 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

The Israeli media has been full of overt calls for and endorsements of just outright genocide for over a year now.

At one point a prime time media show was 'debating' just fucking nuking Gaza.

Israeli social media has also been absolutely full of average people with genocidal rhetoric for over a year.

... They just say it in Hebrew, not English... most of the time.

This isn't suprising to anyone who can use google translate, or read supplied English subtitles/captions.

[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 50 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

Reading about this stuff on the Israeli lead news network KAN is... Interesting. When the complete eradication of Gazans is being talked about it's very blasé and never takes responsibility. For example, this report says Hamas are in fact the ones screwing up Gaza aid efforts, and this one richly claims that the IDF did not kill anyone at an aid site. The IDF alleges that they investigated themselves and found that they weren't guilty.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 2 days ago (7 children)

The entire last twoish years have have been doubly insane for people like myself, because:

Though I am not Jewish, my cousins all are. They are all secular, American, liberal to lefty Jews by the heritage and ethnicity of their father, and his culture that they maintain.

They are all against the genocide, but according to current, general, right wing sentiment... they either don't exist or are self hating.

I can only imagine this has all been even more insane for them.

Nearly every pro-Palestine protest on every campus in the US that I've read about or seem... has at bare minimum had sizeable numbers of Jewish Americans at it, if not being co-organized by them or headlining them as speakers.

... Meanwhile, I've been anti Zionist my whole life, and every single actual Israeli I've ever met has been a racist, anti-Islamic Zionist... and when I point this out, almost every white liberal or self described lefty has called me an antisemite.

Then on my own side of the family, my dad and my uncle just actually are racist anti-semites, making 'off color jokes' about Jews being greedy and money obsessed at fucking family gatherings literally in the faces of my cousins and their dad.

Oh well I guess?

Politics evolves to become defined by the hypocrises and contradictions no one is capable of having a rational discussion about.

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[–] SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

This "issue" has unfortunately been in Israeli controlled media for much longer than a year. They've been indoctrined to hate Palestine since the forming of israel

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Also, part 2:

Israelis tend to get really fucking triggered when you tell them about:

Israel was literally founded by terrorists who bombed and shot civillians in terror bombings... as in, they explicitly targetted civillians for the chaos factor... and they wrote about this in their own journals and memoirs and then went on to lead the government.

The entire USS Liberty incident, which was almost certainly Israel trying to false flag blow up an American ship during the 6 day war and blame it on the Egyptians, to get the US directly involved.

The Apollo Affair, wherein Israeli sympathizers/spies literally stole US nuclear fissile material from the US to aide in the production of their nuclear weapons (which basically every Western government officially, and society generally, denied they even had nukes untill about a year to 6 months ago).

The Samson Doctrine, Israel's take on nuclear detterance... is more or less this:

If Israel feels like it is going to be nuked or completely invaded, they will nuke major cities in all countries within one to two thousand miles, ally, enemy, neutral, who cares, the logic is to throw as big of a shit fit as possible and declare that if they can't have Israel, no one can have anything, and they'll do all that themselves.

And finally, if you just tell them that Hasbara is a real thing that obviously exists and promotes publically that it will pay anyone who will draft themselves into being an online propaganda troll for Israel.

... Conversely, if anybody were to tell me about all the awful shit the US has done and is doing, I have a functioning moral compass and brain and can say, yep, that shit is/was fucking awful, unnaceptable, and in my ideal world, all those responsible would be in jail or tried as war criminals, in the ICJ for crimes against humanity, Luigi'd, etc.

[–] SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They see us Palestinians so poorly, that they'd straight up rather KILL THEMSELVES than be captured.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

When that story broke, or video footage emerged of ... around a year ago now...

Of a 'hostage rescue mission'... involving a fucking Merkava point blank firing a main cannon round into the building they believed the hostages and their captors were in, that was also in a large multi family apartment building, with tons of other civillians inside....

I fucking lost it.

Even from the perspective of US Rules of Engagement in Iraq War 2, which was... lets say highly insufficient at prioritizing noncombatant safety, at best...

That is fucking godamned insane nonsense. If a US tank crew had accidentally put a tank round into a densely occupied civillian apartment building, they would have been fucking court matrialled, or it would have been covered up and a decent scandal when it leaked out later.

To do this intentionally? In a hostage rescue mission? And every pro-Israel person either ignores it or is totally fine with it?

Just fucking insane, like parody super hero 'oops, Homelander was gonna save everyone but he got angry or sneezed and lasered the airplane pilots' fucking insane.

When that helicopter gun cam vid of blowing away suspected insurgents first aired in 04 on ABC, it caused a national debate.

In Israel, the last year or so, we get a video like that every other day, and then people stitch themselves into it making demeaning jokes.

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[–] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 85 points 2 days ago

As a Native American my heart goes out to all Palestinians effected by these ignorant Zionist we must be better than this we can be better than this.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 63 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (23 children)

My understanding is that Israeli TV is hugely responsible for making this mainstream. Just like in Rwanda where radio played a huge role in the genocide.

It's almost as if genocide scholars have been warning about a series of patterns over the last couple of years...

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

The genocidal ideology of zionism is their hegemonic narrative. It's much bigger than just TV. It's also the schools, politicians, cops/prisons, compulsory terrorism, etc. Genocide is the basis of their entire "society".

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 59 points 2 days ago

Shocking. Israel has successfully dehumanized the entire Palestinian population.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/israel-posts-video-saying-are-no-innocent-civilians-gaza-rcna157111

This was over a year ago:

"Israeli government accounts on the social media site X have been posting a video with a quote from a freed hostage, in which she says that “there are no innocent civilians” in Gaza."

[–] Jamil@lemm.ee 55 points 1 day ago

This just in: The country that has been doing ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians for 77 years is still okay with doing ethnic cleansing.

[–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 53 points 2 days ago

Absolutely disgusting. Our common ancestors are rolling over in their graves at their inhumanity.

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 47 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Say it loud for those in the back, it’s not just the leaders.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For years Israel has been running around the world, waving their foes statements about “pushing Israel into the sea” as a call to arms against atrocity.

And now here they are, committing that very atrocity. But genocide seems inevitable when your stated goal is to be an ethnostate.

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[–] Vupperware@lemm.ee 40 points 1 day ago

They’ve literally been doing this shit since they pushed the Palestinians out of the way almost eighty fucking years ago. Of course the population is okay with it.

[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago

It'd be more surprising if the ingroup of an established ethnostate weren't hitlerites.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I noticed on LinkedIn that a ton of my former colleagues from Israel are now in the US. I think shifting demographics as progressives leave are a bigger part of the story than the shifting opinions these stories have been about.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The wider truth is that anyone who's remotely sane or empathetic is driven out of the zio regime. I have a friend who grew up under the regime and resisted the mandatory terrorism. He was put in prison, then he was harassed and threatened with death until he fled to USA. This dude is an exceptionally great person and for that reason he was violently forced out.

So whom does that leave over there? Only the most genocidal wackos. Thus, this completely unsurprising poll.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also work the other way around, Jewish people from around the world that don't accept the genocide being committed on their name are not going to move to Israel, while tha ones that are OK and support it are more likely to move in and participate directly.

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[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

Anyone surprised? Nasi state governed by nazis, who were elected by nazis thinking they are more than others. Fuck israel.

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

Holocaust in actio

[–] uberdroog@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

Yeah, this is has been obvious for...30 years now? This is only shocking to ostriches

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you know anything about the genocidal ideology of zionism, this should be absolutely no surprise. It's always been like this. Haven't people watched any interviews with zios? Don't y'all know any zios? These people are brainwashed racists at best.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (29 children)

as someone with Israeli friends, I always figured this to be the case. they bemoan having to think about bomb shelters because of the occasional rocket that gets fired over into israel. they legitimately believe that Muslim countries hate them, and Muslims in general want to kill them. they live in the Old testament of the Bible, and anything that happens to Gaza is the will of God.

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 18 points 1 day ago (10 children)

they legitimately believe that Muslim countries hate them, and Muslims in general want to kill them

This is plausible, but not entirely without a reason. I stopped taking sides in this mess long ago.

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[–] Naevermix@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just like in Nazi Germany, the entire Israeli population is complicit.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 day ago

Not to be super technical but "most" is not the same as "all".

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

waiting for bill maher who claimed muslims were inferior because some muslim countries supposedly supported this and that according to random polls. surely he will be consistent.

He will be consistent in saying Muslims are inferior.

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

There is no both siding this, the Zionists are genocidal and there are no good zionists. This should be shocking to nobody. Im Jewish and ill say this as many times as I need to

ANTIZIONISM IS NOT ANTISEMITISM

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