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My opinion on gun control has changed over the years.
I used to be very anti gun. didn't really see the point of regular people having them.
Today though, me giving up my guns would be like Ukraine giving up their nukes but smaller.
Seriously, no way. I'm giving up my guns now that we have brown coats.
punctuation. is important
And it seems like a really egregious error with punctuation, too.
yeah it gives the opposite meaning.
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Lmao
Edit I spelled the laughy thing wrong
That could have been achieved 20 years ago with logical induction on a few things and a thought experiment.
Also Ukraine gave up its nukes voluntarily , and the common opinion was that the Cold War is over and nobody is going to need weapons, except for fighting criminals and terrorists. Russia didn't ask for Ukraine's nukes so persistently. USA did, but not everything USA demanded in those years was given.
So the analogy is very fine, it was also understood to be a mistake to give Russia those nukes even before the first Maidan. Somewhere around second Chechen war.
Humanity is stupid.
I'm conflicted. On one hand, I don't want somebody's hobby to be the reason why school shootings persist in the hundreds every year. On the other hand, the best way for minorities to protect their rights is to be armed and dangerous. I think the only way for certain to advance as a society is stricter gun laws overall to keep the impule purchases away.
The current laws surrounding guns in the US is probably going to make the inventable next civil war a lot worse in terms of deaths.
Who gives a fuck about death?!
Your should give a fuck about living under dire conditions way way way way WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY THE FUCK MORE than fucking death.
You’re going to fucking die.
Now decide whether you die under the boot or not.
Hi Joni Ernst
You realise I don't live in the corrupt nation named the US?
My opinion has also shifted over time, but not quite in the way I expected. I was also very anti-gun and pro-gun control, and maybe you can make an argument that I was being naive or that I've succumbed to the decades-long conservative culture war, but I feel like things have gotten so bad that we can't possibly rely on the police or the military to be able to effectively protect us in times of crisis anymore.
Seems like cops are more likely to shoot you than help you these days, and the military might be under the control of someone competent, or under the control of a fascist demagogue who replaces all the generals with incompetent yes-men, which is a huge national security threat for a disarmed populace. Also, the government using the military against it's citizens (or non citizen residents) is definitely not off the table - no matter what pretty words the soldiers said about defending the constitution, a lot of them are in bed with the folk who want to exterminate "the enemy within".
Maybe if we had more stability we could make a push for more restrictive gun laws, but I don't think it's politically feasible for either party at this point to make any such suggestion. The tragic part is that mass shootings will continue unabated until we find a way to counteract them without touching on the subject of gun control.
Why not having guns and being for the ban ?
The Ukrainians that controlled the nukes were Soviets. They gave them up as part of non-proliferation agreements intended to disarm Russia.
Western Liberals didn't want Viktor Yanukovych commanding a nuclear arsenal. You guys seem to have forgotten everything prior to Maidan
Why?
:: gestures broadly to current events::
Current events show that guns are pretty useless against dictators, people do just happily vote them in power. The right to free education would have been a better weapon.
Khadaffi would beg to differ.
Of all ways to get rid of dictators you choose Lybia as a good example. I rest my case.
Lol, that nose stuck straight up in the air is going to obstruct your target acquisition.
I said dictators have been taken down with items less deadly than a gun, and you say "la la la I can't hear you!"
And you think it's a gotcha as the cherry on top!
Introspection must be your dump stats.
Just shut the fuck up if you don’t know history. Seriously. You don’t need to respond to everything when you don’t know what you’re talking about. Just shut the fuck up. It’s a virtue, I promise.
The real answer?
Because donald trump got re-elected. That's it. That's the sole reason why this person now favors owning a gun.
Neo-liberals are like sheep.
Calling people sheep for wanting to be armed against a fascist regime is a new one.
Better late then never you fucking asshole.
There's no good reason to need a high powered semiautomatic rifle, anything you need can be done with a bolt action rifle.
When the Christian militias come for me I want to be able to lay down suppressive fire 🤷🏻♀️
When you're alone, it's a bad idea to waste ammo on this.
But firing bursts makes targeted fire better, so semi-auto is needed, yes.
Just not for anything suppressive, that's for people with a mounted machine gun with enough ammo to be limited by barrel temperature
Suppression is good for movement under fire and like you said, works well in groups. While an MG would be ideal, it works fine with pistols and rifles, too.
But like you said, if you're alone, it's probably best to stay low, concealed, and covered as much as possible. Take targeted shots, and gtfo of the situation if at all possible.
Look around. If ever there was a time for 2a, it's rn
Yeah, but what if TWO fascists attack you?
Claymore?
Shotgun shot to the legs.
Ok yeah but what about three fascists
How are you getting close enough with a shotgun, when they have rifles?
Real life shot guns are effective at a longer range than video games. Not counting the various ammunition types you can use. Birdshot might not kill at 100 yards, but you're still not wanting to get hit by it, especially near the face.
Paul Harrell tested birdshot at 100 yards. It fails to penetrate a t-shirt, and gets very few hits at that range.
LuckyGunner tested Buckshot at 100 yards. It was still deadly, but few pellets will hit.
Shotgun Slugs are effective out to 100 yards.
Birdshot from 100 yards will hurt less than a paintball at 50 yards. Birdshot at 100 yards likely wouldn't even break the skin of a human. And you're trying to tell me about video games? Fucking pistols are basically useless at 100 yards, let alone a shotgun. And in the non-existent situation where you knew what you're talking about, I single shot targets with iron sites from 500m with an m249, which isn't as accurate as an m16, m4, or m14 etc.
So tell me again about how life isn't like a video game. My guess is that you've never even held one considering how many wrong points you had in only 3 sentences. And even shotgun slugs are inaccurate at a distance. Saying things as fact as if you know things you don't, is how we got trump in the White house.
Making a claim stating I have "wrong points" while making a bunch of false claims and for some reason bragging about video games, doesn't mean you are correct in anything you said.
Please go get shot in the face by bird shot from 100 yards and report back to us.
Please also stop comparing real guns to video games.
I also don't know where you got "three" from, but it's pretty clear you are delusional and live outside reality.
Is this you? You claim to have zero experience with shotguns, and yet here you are trying to be a subject matter expert. https://lemmy.world/post/27230270
Zero experience USING shotguns doesn't mean I don't know ranges of weapons. Beyond 50m a pistol is essentially worthless. I qualified expert on the US army on the M9. I feel that is enough relevant experience to know that a fucking shotgun has less range than a pistol. Quit trying to go through my shit for some kind of gotcha when it doesn't exist. It's shameful that you went to such effort for such little result and still acted like you made some point with it. Put at least one round downrange before you say something about it.
Edit: also, you were the one who mentioned video games first, not I.
Such effort? Buddy, it's literally the first post when opening your account.
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By the time it reaches 100m it's already traveled 2-3 times it's effective range and at that point is moving slow enough to be as effective as throwing a handful of small pebbles. Seriously do fuck off with your make believe knowledge.
Thanks for agreeing with what I originally said, I guess.
You invent "sheeting", which is shooting twice at the same time.
Fucking dumb.