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[Serious] Jews of Lemmy, what are your family conversations about the war like? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 1 week ago by underline960@sh.itjust.works to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

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I've had multiple family members deployed to active warzones.

Whenever we talked about war, it was never about politics. It was always "X's tour is supposed to finish next month," or "I heard something happened near [town], wasn't X deployed near there?"

I know how everyone talks about it on the internet, but what is it like for you at home?

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[–] dumbpotato@lemmy.cafe 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Source: Osama Bin Laden's Open Letter to the American People

https://pages.astronomy.ua.edu/white/worldviews/binladen.txt

As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

a) You attacked us in Palestine:

(i) Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its*price, and pay for it heavily.

[–] bitwize01@reddthat.com 2 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the direct quote, I appreciate you citing a source. The letter has quite a few grievances and meanders a bit, but at it's core it's really all about Islamic Eschatology - hastening the final day of judgement by sparking a worldwide holy war. The targets of Al Qaeda were basically "any target of opportunity" with a preference towards the west if possible. If (obviously impossible) Israel had suddenly reconciled and left all of Palestine, imo 9/11 would still have occurred and much of the antisemitic screed in the letter would still be there.

For me personally (as a secular, non-jewish westerner), I acknowledge the genocide occurring and the evil being done, and I think the sanewashing of the genocide further reinforces the absolute moral deprivation of those persecuting it.