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Hot take: but this is going to suck. The tariffs were guaranteed to tank the economy and would be someone that no one who supported trump could staunchly defend. Now we're going to get a decade of fascists saying "but the tariffs we wanted were never actually instituted so we'll never know how good they would have been. That's why I want to do this worse thing."
Like, I understand that the liberation day tariffs were about to send the US into depression mode and I still kind of think them being blocked is a net good just cause of how bad we would have been fucked.
But God damn it's going to be exhausting.
They would just move onto something else anyway, trump supporters will deflect until their death.
The Republicans wrecked the world economy in 2008, destroying half the wealth in the world, and were only out of power for 2 years. No matter how bad it is, there is nothing that can pierce the reality distortion field generated by the right wing propaganda machine.
You make it sound like they just did it effortlessly in 2008. The Republicans had been working hard on that crisis since 1971!
That has been my position all along. I think the best thing long term is if shit gets real bad really quickly. The slower the decent the longer the suffering will be overall, and the less people are likely to notice and remember.
It could have been super bad and we'd have still forgotten by next election.
Yeah, people were actually clamoring for the heyday of...2020...in the last election cycle. Like 2020 sucked pretty fucking hard.
Eh, with USAID gone and SNAP being gutted, a lot of the farmers are going to go bankrupt. With the Medicaid cuts, a lot of the rural hospitals (the main employers in rural areas) are going to go bankrupt. And if the "big beautiful bill" doesn't pass, all social security and medicare payments will stop until something passes. A lot of bad things will happen to the "wrong rural people".
Also, Trump has another law he can use to make tariffs with, and it will be another 6 months before the court rules on that.
Another potential headache just like this one 😅
But it's still the right thing to do of course. His plans rely on compliance.
The big bullshit bill is even more dangerous than allowing the tariffs because it erodes court checks on the executive branch.
If they get their way, and we have a depression, they'll blame the Democrats. If they get stopped before it goes that far, they'll blame the Democrats. If the Dems are going to get blamed either way, let's do it our way instead of theirs.
That’s called accelerationism.
Yeah absolutely this.
This is the back down Trump has been hoping for really.
When everything goes to shit he can blame everyone else because he wasn't allowed to roll out his dumb plan.
Honestly over the last few months I've been thinking a catastrophic financial crash might just dethrone trump. Not anymore.
That's been his plan though. Whatever they let him do, he would try to do more. Then they would stop him in court, then he would blame the courts.
Yeah, I was kind of hoping this fascist government would fail-fast so we could start rebuilding.
I somewhat agree with you, and I think we're also saving Trump and the Republicans from themselves here.
On the other hand, it is undoubtedly a great thing that SOMEONE has finally put their foot down and challenged Trump's authority to run the economy by fiat.
I fully agree. Protecting us from facing the full consequences of Trump's idiotic policies is more dangerous than letting them happen. The most fervent cultists would have never seen the light anyway, but there are a decent number of people who could be convinced of the error of their ways if Trump was allowed to singlehandedly crash the US economy. Now I fear that we'll just keep going until he is allowed to do something far worse.