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What do you think will happen to chickens, cows and other animals once we stop protecting them (for our consumption, but still)?
Mate you gotta have a fucked up definition of protection ngl.
These animals only exist in the first place because we breed them into existence. There are no wild factory farm chickens or cows or pigs.
If you are iffed about my reaction to the word "protection", please watch Dominion and then tell me about where in the documentary animals are protected. Warning, it shows the entire factory farm animal life cycle including the gory bits.
Can you put a content warning for gore on your comment? Sorry to ask, but there are annoying, rather pathetic anti-vegan trolls that try to get vegans banned. You can show prepared meals with meat in them or even raw processed meat, but not the actual process. Don't want people to have feelings when they look at meat after all. Unfortunately if you mention veganism outside of a vegan community, you will attract this troll.
Yeah I noticed lol. I expanded the warning I included, thanks :)
Yes, protecting your food or income is still a protection, even if it sounds fucked up when talking about animals.
Mate, this was literally my point. You're crying about few dead thousand, but want a genocide.
Watched it years ago, but I'm pretty sure I saw walls, fences and everything else necessary to protect them from other animals killing them young.
I fully understand it's a fucked up situation, but the extreme changes you want to do will end up even more fucked up, we should just really let it run it's natural cycle because lab meat is rapidly becoming widely available and will outcompete farming animals.
Note that I hardly eat meat, mostly when offered and not wanting to say no, but I'm trying to stay objective on this whole mess
You're definitely using the word genocide incorrectly here. A genocide would imply that the other commenter wants us to kill all farm animals right now, when in reality what they're saying is that they want us to stop artificially breeding them, meaning not creating new life. As for the animals that already exist, yeah ideally we'd find some way to help them live their lives out, but realistically this change isn't gonna happen in one day, it's gonna take years, and as we reduce artificial insemination these animals will stop existing and so this issue of having all of these animals around won't be real.
This is the equivalent of using a condom, not the equivalent of shooting someone in the face.
If humans had masters and they forced us to use condoms to prevent more of us, I'm pretty sure this checks out some definition of genocide
EDIT: Russia fully takes over Ukraine and implements a law where you can no longer make children. Is this a genocide?
That is not analogous to the situation. Instead russia would not force the Ukrainians to produce children. Is that genocide?
But guy above quite clearly implied ban under vegan world, not natural cycle where farming will become obsolete.
Your example is closer to what I said we should do.
this is a plan that would lead eventually to the total destruction of the species. it's genocide
Wrong word again. You mean extinction. A complete genocide of a species is a subset of extinction but extinction is not equal to or a subset of genocide.
choosing a course of action that results surely in extinction is genocidal
Wait, so not artificially breeding more individuals of a species is a genocide? Is it genocide when a guy jizzes into a sock too? Come on, don't be ridiculous.
Lab meat has been around the corner about as long as a fully self driving tesla which totally, absolutely will happen in two weeks, promise.
The fact is, we don't need to eat animals, we do it for (taste) pleasure and everything done to those animals should be viewed through this lense. Saying "I will just wait for lab meat" is a cheap excuse at best.
maybe you don't. you don't know what anyone else needs
Nah that's not how it works. We all need nutrients and as long as those nutrients can be consumed in a bioavailable form it doesn't matter (for the body) where they come from.
Edit: just saw your profile and you seem to be a rage troll so I won't be engaging further with you. Byee
calling me names doesn't change the truth of what I'm saying
you aren't my doctor or my nutritionist. you don't know what I need, or anyone else.
and people need more than nutrients
Someone failed their science classes.
maslow would like a word with you
You're proving my point for me. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs doesn't include meal choice, only that physiological needs are met.
it also requires aesthetic needs to be met, social needs, and self actualization. for many people, those may require that you, for instance, master french cuisine, or eat your grandmother's lasagna, or just have hotdog and beer at the ballpark.