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[–] Makhno@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

Trans people or any people wanting to play games with their friends should be what society fosters and nurtures as the entire fucking point of society's existence. Something something... planting trees something something knowing they'll never sit under...

Coed teams exist. They're finding issue with mtf athletes playing against a league of individuals who didn't go through puberty as a male. That's clearly an advantage, and to say otherwise is to ignore science altogether.

Maybe the solution is non-gendered weight classes for sports, or just more coed teams. Idk

Edit: yall will convince yourselves of anything lol. Really wild the dumb shit some people will say

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

They're finding issue with mtf athletes playing against a league of individuals who didn't go through puberty as a male. That's clearly an advantage, and to say otherwise is to ignore science altogether.

That would be an argument worth discussing if the Nazis weren't also trying to ban puberty blockers and frothing at the mouth claiming the trans agenda is coming for their kids. But no, right now, that's a garbage bad faith argument, because it already has an obvious answer. That's how they poison the discussion.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

If he's capitulating to Nazis, that makes him complicit. Sorry if he had other good qualities, but he's bending the knee.

[–] EmilyIsTrans@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 months ago

What about trans women who transitioned before puberty? What about cis or intersex women with elevated levels of testosterone? What about sports where it has been shown that after a long enough period of medical transition trans people have no significant advantage over their cis counterparts?

You appeal to science yet fail to cite a single source, so let me do it for you:

An individual's sex does not determine their success or failure at any athletic event despite the high level of competition. This can be demonstrated when looking at not average outcomes, but the level of overlap among outcomes... While sex differences do develop following puberty, many of the sex differences are reduced, if not erased, over time by gender affirming hormone therapy.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They’re finding issue with mtf athletes playing against a league of individuals who didn’t go through puberty as a male.

Good news! Puberty blockers exist and have been studied and used for literal decades for other reasons.

That’s clearly an advantage, and to say otherwise is to ignore science altogether.

The science says 2-3 years of hormone therapy levels the playing field and there's no more advantage.

In fact, women who haven't transitioned often have an advantage because their testosterone levels can be higher than women who have transitioned.

And that's the crux of the issue: human variation.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The science says 2-3 years of hormone therapy levels the playing field and there’s no more advantage.

Would you be opposed to a requirement that trans women wanting to compete in women's leagues undergo 3 years of hormone therapy before being allowed to play?

[–] straightjorkin@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I think most trans people would agree that's reasonable, but at that point, you also have to talk about the bans on transition for minors, which would affect a minors ability to have that time frame met, and then their ability to play.

[–] BeanGoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 months ago

Please tell me what these "issues" are, with peer reviewed scientific sources. There are no significant advantages to a "male puberty" that are not countered by HRT. Furthermore, the same people touting trans kids for their supposed "advantages" are the same people forcing them to develop those "advantages" by restricting their access to healthcare before puberty begins.

The cruelty is the point.

[–] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

Ah, yes, let’s make laws specifically banning 2-5 children from ever having fun.

Like… what the fuck is wrong with you that you think a law targeting under 10 people in the entirety of the US is justified and not literally just bullying those kids on a national level to hope they fucking commit suicide? A law to tell 5 kids, specifically, that fuck them and they’re not allowed to have fun is god damn crazy.

https://www.newsweek.com/how-many-transgender-athletes-play-womens-sports-1796006