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[–] theluddite@lemmy.ml 62 points 1 week ago (16 children)

I live in Vermont. These rosy articles about Front Porch Forum come out every so often, and, as someone who writes about the intersection of tech and capitalism, they frustrate me.

First things first, it's a moderated mailing list with some ads. I don't know if it even makes sense to call it a social network, honestly. It's a great service because moderated mailing lists are great. Here's the problem:

To maintain this level of moderation, the founder does not want to expand Front Porch Forum beyond Vermont's borders. He highlighted Nextdoor, another locally-focused social media platform that has expanded internationally, which has often been accused of inflaming tensions within communities due to its more relaxed moderation policy. However, Sabathier believes that local social media similar to Front Porch Forum could work elsewhere in the US, including in less progressive states – Vermont, the home of socialist Senator Bernie Sanders, was the state that cast the fewest votes for Trump in the November 2024 election. "It's not so much a political platform as a tool for communities to organize themselves and be more cohesive," said the researcher. "And that would be beneficial everywhere."

Capitalism makes this world impossible. Front Porch Forum is a private business owned by a guy (technically, it's a public benefit corporation, but those are toothless designations). Like so many beloved services, it'll be great until it's not. Eventually, cofounders, as lovely and well meaning as they might be, leave, move, die, whatever, and someone shitty will end up in control. Without a corporate restructuring into, say, a user cooperative, it is just as doomed as every other internet thing that we've all loved. These puff pieces always act like Vermont is a magical place and, frankly, it is, but not like this. We live under capitalism too. Sometimes, due to being a rural, freezing, mountainous backwater, we get short reprieves from the worst of it, but the problem with social media is systemic.

AMA I guess.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Eventually, cofounders, as lovely and well meaning as they might be, leave, move, die, whatever, and someone shitty will end up in control. Without a corporate restructuring into, say, a user cooperative, it is just as doomed as every other internet thing that we’ve all loved.

10/10. No notes.

Same thing is gonna happen to Valve and anything else people love. They're lying to themselves if they think it won't.

This is just the barest nature of the growth of institutions, they always eventually lose sight of what they were created to do. Not even through any fault of their own but there's just no way to make sure that the new people running it are on the exact same page as the people who came before. No amount of legalese can prevent it from changing. As you said, it takes a complete restructuring where the invested parties have a voice in the future.

[–] theluddite@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, and worse, even if they are true to that vision, other bigger players will be offering huge piles of cash to buy the thing. There will always be a perpetual temptation in its current structure. Just look at another beloved Vermont brand, Ben and Jerry's, now owned by unilever.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah, it makes me think of Blizzard, now Activision Blizzard.

For decades Blizzard was a shining star, it had literally never made a bad game. They famously released games "when they're done", rather than just in time for Christmas. As a result, they had a perfect, spotless record of releasing only top quality, genre defining games that players nearly universally loved. But that streak ended with Diablo 3 in 2012, it was their first major release since Blizzard was purchased by Activision in 2008. For the first time their release was controversial and the game just wasn't fun (in its current form).

I remember it actually made me very sad at the time, it felt like the end of an era. It also made me worry about the other PC gaming golden child, Valve.

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