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[–] hakase@lemm.ee -2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

People have a right to make stupid decisions, even ones that would be dangerous to themselves.

We know this is the case because fast food isn't illegal - it's just that people (in this thread) are too stupid to see the contradictions in their own logic. Seatbelts are just a really oddly specific example of people choosing to police other people's stupid decisions, for some reason.

it’s appropriately forcing someone who can’t be an adult to act like one.

I don't think I could have worded this in a more infantilizing manner if I tried, so thanks for proving my point I guess?

in reality this kind of law is very effective at making more mindful of their safety, even if idiots among them do it begrudgingly.

There are other ways to incentivize this behavior that doesn't involve becoming an infantilizing nanny state. Significantly higher insurance premiums for people who choose not to buckle up, for example.

Cigarettes are another great example - they're not illegal, but the government gives people financial incentives not to use them in the form of sin taxes.

There are many ways to disincentivize stupid behavior while still respecting the right of people to make those stupid choices.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

cigarettes should absolutely be illegal, as they infringe on other people's rights.

fast food is a ridiculous comparison. by the same logic shooting people should be legal because coughing in public isn't illegal, since both are "unhealthy" for people around you.

and again, accidents aren't personal. they involve others.

[–] hakase@lemm.ee -1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Yikes, I think with you having this many bad takes in such a short span, we're probably not going to reach a place where we see eye to eye on this.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

we do agree on yikes. but I have to give it to you; this is the longest I've seen someone have libertarian takes without bringing up age of consent laws so that's nice