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[–] HeadfullofSoup@kbin.earth 123 points 1 week ago (9 children)

She will 100% but maybe that what need to be so a real revolution start because the peaceful protest don't do shit to stop fascist

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 80 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Too bad people couldn't be bothered to vote last year.

[–] entwine413@lemm.ee 46 points 1 week ago (14 children)

But the Democrats didn't offer them a pony

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The left:

If we don't give voters what they want, we're gonna end up with fascism.

Fascists:

Take over a country because "moderates" fight the left harder than fascism

"Moderates":

Why dont we just blame the left again?

Do you legitimately not understand what's happening now?

Because it's literally the same way Nazis came to power the first time; "moderates" fighting the left

[–] Soulg@ani.social 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Absolutely incredible to acknowledge that voters chose fascism because the alternative wasn't perfect enough, yet still act like they're blameless.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Yes

The voters weren't given a good enough choice to hold their nose for the 4th time in a row...

You're acting like people just chose this election to sit out and havent been disenfranchised for (for the majority of Dem voters) their entire lives.

Because for you personally, things haven't been that bad yet, so you refused to help anyone else because "what are they gonna do, vote Republican?"

Completely ignorant of how voting works and that the result would just be checking out of politics and not voting. Which when enough Americans do, Republicans win elections

You didn't want to help anyone, and now you're mad the people you weren't going to help no matter who won the election didn't help you

As I told someone else, the solution is helping everyone so people will be motivated to vote because they have something to lose.

Like, how the fuck does someone make it to 2025 and realize that people with nothing to lose act like they have nothing to lose?

The "moderate" wing followed the same playbook that got Hitler elected by fighting the left harder than they fight the right...

And are now acting shocked when the same result happened.

So you're mad at everyone that warned you like people in the 1500s burning a woman for being a witch because she said a storm was coming.

Fucking ridiculous mate. But at least you feel self important, that's what matters to some people I guess.

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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

At this point, I assume anyone still harping on this is a conservative provocative looking to stir up division.

The truth is it's possible for more than one group to be at fault. Those who stayed home have a ton of blame, the centrist dipshits at the DNC have a ton of blame, and the Republicans themselves have the most blame of all.

Quit trying to sew division. We need unity now, not to rehash old grievances.

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago
[–] resipsaloquitur@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

“Taking a stand against genocide” = pony. Got it.

[–] el_muerte@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, neither side took a stand against genocide, so any would-be progressive who sought to "punish" the Democrats by not voting for them over this gets as much sympathy from me as all the regressive dipshits whose faces keep getting eaten by leopards. Every vote that wasn't cast for the "genocidal" Democrats was a vote cast for the genocidal and also fascist white nationalist party.

How's it feel knowing you've got a great view of 'Murrica openly trying to emulate 1930s Germany from the saddle of your moral high horse?

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Straw man. I voted for Harris.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/aoc-democrats:

Just 28% of Democratic voters said they support a so-called "moderate" approach.

How does it feel knowing you facilitated fascism by refusing to hold establishment democrats’ feet to the fire so they would adopt a platform for people instead of billionaires?

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[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You chose the genocide harder option. How did that help anyone?

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[–] entwine413@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Well, now we have genocide in the US, so how did taking that stand work out?

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Lol, where LMAO? Stop cheapening the meaning of words

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

When trump was president the first time, we all agreed it was bad and things needed fixed.

A large amount of Dem voters held their nose and voted Biden because he was the only option and even Biden was better than trump....

But instead of fixing anything, Biden just tried to gaslight America that things were fine, and didn't actually fix anything despite having the House and Senate like trump does.

Then Biden held on to the last possible moment so there wouldn't be a primary, tried to hand the nomination to an even more historically unpopular VP who couldn't win, and she said she wouldn't do anything different, except putting a Republican in her cabinet.

So you can blame voters not voting.

But it just sounds like a shady car salesman bitching no one will buy his lemons.

It's the literal and only job for a candidate and their campaign team to win an election. We can't blame primary voters for picking a bad option, they had no say in who the candidate was.

This is bigger than your ego being wrong about what voters will put up with

We can't afford to deny reality so you feel better about your unpopular opinions about what Dem voters want.

[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It can simultaneously be true that the democrats did a god awful job campaigning, and that people are fucking idiots for not voting for them.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (6 children)

If Kamala would have won the neoliberals would have maintained control of the DNC another four years, would have squashed the primary again, and we'd have been stuck voting for someone we don't want who won't fix anything for 8 years...

Shit is too bad to keep not fixing it.

It would have been kicking the can down the road another couple years and we'd be in the same scenario again. Meanwhile the wealthy would continue winning and 99% of us would keep losing.

Maybe it wasn't bad for you till now, maybe you'd even be fine waiting a decade before we fixed anything....

But most Americans weren't

Getting upset that they didn't care about you after decades not caring about them makes you look at best uninformed about the entire last 50 years of American political history.

So....

How about you stop bitching that the people you wouldn't help didn't help you and start working with everyone else that needs help.

That's the way to actually get anyone help, if you're not in board, don't be surprised when no one wants to listen to you

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Biden just tried to gaslight America that things were fine, and didn’t actually fix anything

You spell "things were slowly improving from disaster" and "didn't allow america to slide into recession as we emerge from global 100-year pandemic" weird.

I love how this 'gaslight' lie is itself a gaslight. Sorry Stein lost, but she couldn't have won, and wasn't supposed to. She was funded to fool you and others into forgetting it was really a binary choice, and your split votes allowed Republicans to win. Take the win.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Almost all the recovery went to the owner class, and you're fucking blaming the working class for noticing. Quit your bullshit.

[–] mriguy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Almost all the recovery went to the owner class under Biden, so let's elect Trump and transfer EVERYTHING to the owner class.

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But it's okay. I'm sure the people who couldn't be bothered to pick up a ballot will be happy to pick up a rifle.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago (8 children)

People voted, but the MAGA Nazis rigged the election, and we ALL know it. Too bad the Democratic leadership decided to help the MAGA Nazis cover it up, and declare that they won "fair & square." Rich Democrats like Schumer can be bought as easily as any Republican.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

the MAGA Nazis rigged the election

I wish to investigate your citations.

It seems quite likely, but aside from the plain-sight rigging (gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc etc) I haven't seen anything except that one "computer science" guy whose numbers were contradicted by election officers.

[–] spamfajitas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago

Not exactly a citation but it was pretty weird when someone found one of the DOGE staffers' participation in a hackathon around vote manipulation that got him real close with Musk as a result. Then he started wiping his connections once it was made public.

https://bsky.app/profile/denisedwheeler.bsky.social/post/3lhowh3ijgs2f

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The cascade of bomb threats in blue areas' poking centers of swing states didn't reach your attention?

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[–] el_muerte@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why are you excluding the "plain sight rigging?" Beyond gerrymandering, millions of voters were disqualified through ostensibly legal means that likely wouldn't stand up to legal challenge, but the Democrats were so concerned about taking the high road to pre-empt accusations of "throwing a tantrum" like the right did on January 6 that they just let it all slide.

https://hartmannreport.com/p/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-c6f

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

We have no idea what a peaceful protest of significant size can do. We've never seen one.

We've seen peaceful protests, sure. And some not-so-peaceful ones. But non-violence is really difficult to manage and wield.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

Are protests really about "doing" things though?

A rabble or riot might storm a location like on Jan 6, but is that going to topple a government? Maybe in the middle ages where you could depose a king but since then I don't think so.

Civil Unrest, if maintained over weeks and months might achieve something. If the population is ungovernable I imagine that might motivate republicans to impeach but things would have to get real bad.

Other than that a protest is really just a public statement of duress. It's an appeal to all the people who usually dont pay any attention to politics et cetera.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Peaceful Protests have their place. But it's laughable that you really think that a protest with no threat of violence means anything at all to a fascist government

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