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[–] sfu@lemm.ee 19 points 4 days ago (32 children)

This isn't true at all. It all depends on the person. People could fit into:

Religion - I know everything. Religion - I don't know enough. Science - I know everything. Science - I don't know enough.

You know, some people even love both religion and science!

[–] baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 days ago (12 children)

I've seen a lot of conservative (the American Republican model) Christians but I have also seen what I consider to be "true" Christians, with a strong faith and love for everyone, and part of that faith often involves confronting reality, thinking about solutions to problems, helping the poor and weak. I agree with you that it's not all black and white. A lot of Christians don't believe in the literal text of the Bible for its supernatural claims, but instead they read it (and other religious texts, there are a lot of religious people who do some multi-track drifting) for its morals and guiding principles, which can all be interpreted in different ways, and there is a lot of discourse in religious circles about the meaning and morals of texts, about finding ancient wisdom or reinterpreting old texts to better suit modern standards. It can be a very research intensive way of life to be religious and have faith. I'd argue that if you have any principles at all that you stick to, that counts as faith.

[–] sfu@lemm.ee 0 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Well honestly, (since you mention Christians), if they are true, they'd have to say it is the only way. Not because they are bigoted, but because all the various religions disagree. But, that view (that Christianity is the only way) may have been achieved by doing lots of research. I think its kinda foolish to say all the religions are different paths to God if they disagree with each other. Any religious person who says all faiths are valid paths to God, are either fools, or liars. Some of the popes have said that, and that would make them not Christian.

[–] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You have to accept that religions can be wrong about some things to have the view that they're all different paths to God.

Plus everyone should turn a critical eye to their own religion, every holy text and every doctrine has both wheat and chaff.

[–] sfu@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If two faiths flat out contradict each other, they can't both be right.

Faith A says that God doesn't care what you do or believe. Faith B says that God does care what you do and what you believe.

Both can not be correct. Can they both be paths to God? That's the thing, because of their statement, they'd have to believe in different Gods. So they would not be on two different paths to the same God. If they were, then God would not be stable, and in the case of faith B, God would be a liar.

[–] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

If you reduce an entire religion down to a single axiom, then sure, they can be entirely contradictory.

But religions aren't like that, they are each a thousand different beliefs, rituals, and directives. There are enough similarities in message to see a commonality between them.

Like you said, it's all the same path to God, some paths are a bit more meandering than others, and some claim that there are no other paths.

[–] sfu@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"But religions aren’t like that" Yeah, some religions are like that.

[–] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Religions are a single axiom and nothing else? Which ones?

[–] sfu@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

No, what I meant was, that two religions can be contradictory based on just one belief. Depends on the belief though.

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