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So many democrats don’t understand how someone could possibly be stupid/blind enough to vote for Trump.
If those same people were switched at birth with the Republicans they look down on them they would probably be voting Republican.
It is always worth trying to understand where other people are coming from. If you didn’t have the education that you got, if you were raised in the environment they were raised in and heard the messages they heard and suffered through whatever types of challenges they suffered (instead of the ones you did) then you would have a different world view. You would. That is a fact.
I am surrounded by democrats and they all think republican voters are low class idiots. If I were a republican then why would I want to vote for a party of people who obviously think I’m a low class idiot?
I feel bad for them, sure.
They still need to take responsibility.
They need to first be in a position to experience the consequences of their behavior in order to even be introspective about themselves.
The prosecution of the January 6 rioters was a wake up call for many of them, and that's what it takes: FAFO.
Until they were all pardoned. A big part of the lesson for many became; We get away with it if we win.
Definitely this was Trumps takeaway. He broke the law his first term many times with little or no consequence so of course he is doubling down.
I think that's an excuse, if anything the left has been overly tame and tolerant of maga/Republicans/conservatives under the guise of free speech. The idea of them being low class idiots came from their flavor of insanity of voting against their own interests with every single round of trickle down economics.
If anything they're being too nice with their description.
So why are they idiots do you think? Like are you just naturally and inherently superior to all of them?
Or maybe they were raised differently than you were and taught different things than you were. Exposed to different ideas. Maybe they lack knowledge because they went to a shitty school rather than because they are inferior.
Or that is just an excuse because I don’t want to admit that they are idiots. Idiots who strangely enough don’t want to vote for people who are convinced they are idiots.
They lack empathy and critical thinking skills above all else. Without empathy they cannot understand how different people have different struggles or life experiences. Without critical thinking skills they think all solutions are a simple black or white option with no grey.
With those factors combined, yes I would call them idiots at a minimum if not downright evil.
So why would someone lack empathy?
Like if there is a 4 year old whose parents hit them - then they go to school and hit other kids. Is the 4 year old evil? Or were they taught that behavior?
I’m not saying that adults are 4 years old and aren’t responsible for their actions, I’m just saying that some people have VERY different opportunities than you and I have had.
People are complicated, but my (liberal) values are exactly what one would expect me to have if you look at my upbringing and education. If I had a different education and upbringing I almost certainly would have different values.
Not fun to admit, but true.
I prefer to call actions bad rather than people. People are pretty complicated, and it’s not a level playing field.
I’m superior to someone that votes for Donald Trump, yes.
So you are all in with “us vs them” politics.
Yay my team and fuck the other guys they suck.
They're idiots because they've systemically allowed themselves to be taken advantage of while refusing to ever hold their leadership, representatives, or votes accountable.
They don't vote for Dems or non Republicans in general not because they're idiots but because they're Evil and want other people to suffer. And more and more think that non-christians and immigrants should be erased. Which Republican law makers will easily agree to parrot or push because they don't give a shit. It's definitely not a ridiculous idea of democratic pseudo elitism especially since the only reason to vote Dem is so those lazy bastards can prevent things from getting worse. We aren't going around acting like we're geniuses compared to Republicans. At most a remark like that would be retaliation.
We don't even need their votes we need the people that aren't voting to vote since they're easier to have an actual conversation with. If they want to be idiots let them, I don't give a shit about them.
You sound really angry.
Action taken based on anger and hatred is different than action motivated by compassion and morality.
Yeah, no stop with that. I'm not going to take this moderate kumbaya bullshit that hasn't worked and will never work. We're backsliding so far that things will be worse than the 50s in 2 months. There's no compassion left for any of these Nazis, and there never will be again. I'll gladly step over and on their corpses if that's what it takes. If their own policies leaves them dying and starving I don't give a flying fuck.
There's no morality in sitting here and taking abuse from people that have not only sold out the country but have consistently demonized, witch hunted, and are apathetic to any misfortune directly or indirectly caused. 10 years ago your argument had merit. 5 Years ago you weren't right but had the moral high ground despite it all. 2 years ago I'd have side eyed you, said that Christians/Conservatives/Religion is the worst thing that humanity has ever created and will bring the downfall of us a species, and then I'd have gotten push back but I wouldn't have been silenced. Today you've got nothing to stand on imo.
There is only anger left, as far as hatred that's come about because I'm forced to constantly consider people that have actively hated me for existing. Having to know when the genocide starts will do that. The audacity to say that I need to stop being angry, that I need to basically let it go. When I could straight up die in the next 2 years because sky fairy cultists have decided to initiate the purge is honestly ridiculous.
I’m sorry. I also feel anger and fear. I am desperately looking for ways to take action that are at least potentially effective, even if there is risk and personal cost to myself. I do not feel like a “moderate”.
I also do not want to lose sight of my own value system. Trump is full of vengeful hate. I would rather be a good person who got killed trying to make things better than be still alive but consumed with vengeful hate / hurting other people.
I am not religious - but I am a pacifist at heart. The people I admire most are folks who brought about massive change through non violent means - not people who won wars.
And honestly even if the political stuff all suddenly became ok (it won’t) the billions of people who will die from climate change is inevitable- so that gives me some perspective. Like we are ALL going to die. What is the best I can do with the time I have?
I do not have answers. Maybe - as you suggest - everything I do will be ineffective. I share your fear and dread, but if I can’t continue to value love over hate then I have already lost.
Yeah no, I'm apathetic usually because I know I'd become really unhinged. But when the time comes I'm fighting to the death, I'd be pissed to die without taking anyone down with me. I'm not letting them take me away so the last bit of my life is slow torture or worse some fucked up torture porn. I'm not letting go of my anger because I'd stop fighting and just ignore it everything. If I survived off of that? Off of never fighting? I'd never be able to look at my reflection again.
I'm not saying I need to be uncontrolled with my anger, but I'm going to act with it as my fuel.
Death from climate change is still fixable probably, and even if it's not we can at least kill these billionaires and old politicians that have caused it. so they don't get to hang out as the rest of us slowly die.
Honestly? Trump is the only reason I even vote Democrat at all. Democrats spent too many years telling me I’m “toxic” and “privileged”, wagging their finger at me for stupid shit like using the word "lame"(apparently it's "ableist" to say that nowadays) and treating me as if I’m a problem to be dealt with rather than a human being, for me to trust Democrats.
You can go ahead give "not being nice" a try if you want, but that's only going to make people like me feel more unwelcome among Democrats than we already do - And you can insult me or yell at me for saying that if you want, and I'll just grit my teeth and bear it and vote Democrat anyways in 2026 because you're the "lesser of two evils"... But just know that there are DEFINITELY other voters out there who will be driven right away by that type of approach.
Oh my Goddess, "toxic" and "privileged" tf? That's what has you rubbed the wrong way? PC culture? lmao that isn't even a party thing I don't recall anyone running on that promising to police words. That is culture war propaganda. Moderates sure as hell don't care. What that is the result of progressives getting a voice and enough power to actually remove people that are assholes when 15+ years ago they'd have grimace until someone said a slur and then it was 50/50 if it wasn't the n-word. That gateway Nazi apologist speech that comes from either being out of touch, just a bit too racist, terminally online, privileged (and you can be privileged in some ways and absolutely fucked in others), an asshole that's smart enough to toe the line or some flavor of idiot.
Getting so bent out of shape because the equivalent of a grammar Nazi spoke to you online about something that you probably didn't consider is the biggest crybaby bullshit I've ever heard. That's not "the party" and if it was Whenever Dems were in power you'd see much stronger political action to defend handicapped individuals. Dems are a mix of lukewarm assholes that don't hate other people enough to want to ruin their lives for no reason. So acting like saying something offensive, when if you consider any context there's a reason why insults are insulting, and then having someone frown at you is like being crucified is completely a problem. It cannot be solved except by touching grass.
You are acting like you're being persecuted, when it's literally words from someone and their words aren't being parroted by legislators, they aren't creating a movement to imprison and then pass you around like a sex object. They're not trying to murder you in the streets or straight up ban your healthcare. You're acting like you have some moral high ground when you want to say slurs 💀. And go ahead bruh say lame say whatever you want. Do you know how many times I get corrected for saying shit ? That you've connected that to Dems because progressives literally can't make their own party because they hate rich people is hilarious.
You keep saying "people like me" while tiptoeing around what the hell you're talking about so I'm just going to assume you're talking about incels. PC culture isn't why incels don't vote Dem. It's because the right hates women as much as they do and isn't afraid to show it. It's because they're racist and they know who exactly if going to be racist right along with them. It's because they're -phobic think of anything that's not Evangelical Christian and Republicans despise it right next to them.
If you're an incel but you understand that Trump and every Republican enabling him is going to destroy the US. Congrats. But blaming random people not wanting to be insulted by low grade Nazis for Dem polling results is completely out of touch with reality.
You not only didn't read what I wrote, you also didn't understand what I wrote.
PC Language has nothing to do with Democrats, that's why my rights keep vanishing under them which is something I said. It has to do with Progressives particularly liberals that have pretending to be Dems so they can get elected.
Dems don't actually care they just don't do anything that's why I vote for them because if there's enough of them absolutely nothing happens instead of things getting worse. Dems are a completely moderate bystander party. They literally do nothing if they're not in control of all three branches and then drag their feet. But they're not going to make things worse.
Reproductive rights were stolen by a stacked Conservative Judiciary that has been taking bribes. And since the previous administration was following the law they could not interfere, hell they basically didn't interfere at state level at all which is why texas has such a massive increase in deaths from birth complications and it's approaching 3rd world country. I don't give a shit about Texas.
Dems are not like maga we're not a monolith we're literally everyone else. It's because of that Dem leadership doesn't do anything, they don't have to. They will just whine and since we have 0 cult of personality figures they don't lose out in votes. The Dem position has been "we're not Republicans yet" for a long time now. That was good enough because the system was corrupt and no one was rich enough to fix it.
If what you're saying isn't a slur then no one would care if you said it. 😒 This is a fake issue that only happens online. You don't want to be called toxic then stop acting like I've come after you personally and stop crying about shit that isn't happening. I don't give a shit about your slurs, I don't care that you're racist, really don't give a shit that you're so misogynist that you made an entire post talking down to me and then deleted it which was some bitch ass shit. Like stand on business. You keep talking about how I'm doing things wrong but that's a lot of assumptions you're making yourself.
I don't care about maga voters and flipping because I hate them, I hate their religion, I hate their goofy dusty murderer asses, I hate everything about them, and don't want to flip these people. I don't want them to exist anymore. You've completely got the wrong number if you've ever thought I've given a shit about slurs or flipping these goons. I've written these people off because I know they can't change because they're genuinely evil. That's what you call people that have gone out of their way to harm others religiously while unprovoked. You can lie and blame it on "PC culture" but that came after decades of being insulted and preyed apon. And you have the audacity to act like I should be nice to these Nazis as if I need them. As if they wouldn't stab me in the back as soon as Elon or Trump throws them $100 and says stfu. Bruh you're out your mind. The only votes I need are the non-voters and to stop the election tampering.
You don't even know what "Privileged" means if you honestly consider it an insult. Everytime you breathe air is a privilege, we all fucking have them it's a nothing burger. I've never seen anyone take that shit seriously and then act like Dem leadership is actively pushing PC culture. When they haven't pushed anything since Obama.
It never went away tbh, same with the other slurs, only thing I've learned is that I was right about gun control being NRA propaganda to prevent another black panther like movement and that's why you don't hear about antifa anymore.
Rile up incels have them kill people in blue states and then have those people panic while you down play their conservative roots or the SA that religious leaders were responsible for. Repeat until you have groups of minorities with low economic power not buying guns in mass.
And all of that could have been avoided if you just won the damn election in November.
But no, you'd prefer to wag your finger at voters and chastise them over silly non-issues that aren't important, like the words 'idiot' and 'lame' being 'slurs'.
That's why you lost.
There are much, MUCH more important things you need to spend your time and energy on, other than hating potential voters. Go volunteer in your community. Reach out to local leaders. Do something worthwhile, instead of sniveling and whining about someone using a word you don't like.
Do better.
Nah I'm going to keep hating Nazis, and I can do that while speaking with representatives, boycotting Nazis, and preparing to fight Nazis. Like I've been doing.
The government wasn't going to arrest anyone regardless of the election so this is honestly the only chance we get to get rid of these parasites. And even we won the Dems wouldn't have done anything for another 4 years like always. Blaming me for hating people that hated me first is the type of logic only a rightiod could believe in.
Yes, I agree, this is a good thing, and probably one of the few things we agree on, fuck actual Nazis.
Nope! I'm blaming you for assuming that everyone to the right of Stalin hates you, and that false assumption ended up driving away people who didn't hate you at all.
Hope this helps!
Bruh you really are going pretend that a slur is anything people don't want to hear. We both know that slurs are specific words used by those in power as they systematically murdered people. This is why I don't take incels seriously you're crying about Dems pushing this pc ideology when Dems don't have an ideology which is why our leadership is messy but you keep ignoring that and saying this bitch ass bullshit.
I was never part of "civil" society I'm not even seen as a person lmao. You're just proving my point acting like you and your people have been lynched because you incels are privileged and toxic as fuck, bruh 💀. You're actually brain dead if you think this pathetic conversation is remotely close to what this current administration is doing. It's not even close to the harassment I've faced under both Dems and Rep governments in the past. It's got nothing on imprisonment, V-coding, and death I'll probably face in the next two years and honestly you're so fake about caring about this shit.
I never once mentioned "men" are evil or whatever the hell you're saying. This is why I think rightiods are stupid, you come on here with your fake debate topics, raise the goalposts despite making a ton of bad faith assumptions. Then you lose and start trying to insult people but you're fucking bad at it unless they're slurs, bruh go ahead use the slurs I gave you the go ahead. I'll spell it out for you since you somehow think that maga is just men, bruh no, I hate every man, woman, and child in that base. I don't think men are evil that's backwards and moronic. I think that Evangelical Christian men are evil and so are their wives.
The election was lost due to, election tampering, voter fraud, Corporate Dems like Schumer being Zionist fuckwits, the FBI and CAI shitting the bed, Biden playing games with the government, and Kamala being the cop that she is only looking out for corporate interests. It had nothing to do with me, I already said I wasn't out here talking down to you freaks on the right because I couldn't be assed to argue with people that don't think I'm a person. Yet you've constantly ignored that. I stayed in my lane because having a conversation with you and people like you is pointless. I'm only now having these types of conversations because it serves as an "I told you so" to those on the left that dismissed me as a hateful radical years ago and are agreeing with me now.
This has never been about what is best for every American, this is literally a culture war where Christians have decided to commit genocide alongside their Israeli dictator and The American Oligarchs. I don't give a shit about what you call me I've been called worse by better people. But I'll be damned because I stop calling a Nazi and Nazi, you can act toxic if you want but you're going to need to lower your bar.
Oscar Wilde would want you to do better, too.
Doubt he could do better with clowns like you running around. They'd have deported his ass already.
You might not like me, but your rights are important to me because they are human rights and I am morally obligated to do whatever I can short of breaking the law to preserve those rights.
Hope this helps!
So you admit that you're wrong about slurs, if what I had to say didn't matter you wouldn't be talking to me.
You're blaming me for your people being racist and shipping people gulags? when your supreme Court which I don't vote for gave the president immunity, after years of Mitch being obstructionist? You're telling me that I created these people that have existed since the US was a colony of slavers and hasn't stopped?
if somehow I'm driving away the right by not giving a shit then I will quadruple down. Fuck them, and this shit as the country burns to the ground since we'd finally have equal opportunity in the eyes of the law.
I literally haven't done that, slurs have a definition you have just decided to ignore because you're mad that someone called you toxic and you haven't gotten over it. Name a single made up slur that I've complained about. Oh you can't because I haven't complained about slurs.
People were already racist and always have been, what nonsense is this? These people weren't ever going to vote left, even as they starve to death and their farms get repossessed.
If you honestly believe that the only way to win elections is to shut up and not have an opinion then the election is already lost. It ignores that 1/3 of people didn't even vote and that their votes matter more. I get that you just want to harass me or whatever but you aren't even pretending to argue in good faith.
You're complaining about 'slurs' right now, LMAO.
You can voice an opinion without being insufferable and annoying.
Hope this helps!
Nah, I was raised Republican and just didn't buy into the obvious hate slop. This kind of political and ideological determinism is just as harmful. Stop making excuses for these people.
Do you feel like calling a whole group “these people” is a helpful approach?