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Seems like putting your efforts behind censoring and banning your user base while simultaneously trying to give a pass to a facist oligarchy is a bad idea. That's the thing about oligarchy, it's a small club and if you weren't already in it, you're not going to be any time soon. Facebook and Xitter don't want to share the money from ads and adversarial state\private actors
This is basically it. It is just harder to run a fascist oligarchy these days. People are way too connected and are sympathetic to other people from other countries. The propaganda can only go so far.
Please stop smoking the drapes. We are in the rise of massive fascism worldwide - I literally don't understand how you could make such a statement.
Yeah, the world is sliding into global fascism, and fast.
Even "Never Again" Germany has a major political party sympathetic with Nazis (AfD). If you talk to the average person in America, it is okay to have all of your rights stripped as long as you can use TikTok. We're in very dark times right now.
If anything, I think that people from around the world are very disconnected on average. The average person can barely care to support Ukraine, when Putin is clear-as-day running Stalin's playbook.
Lemmy and Reddit are not real life.
Yeah we have people that are fucking starving and borderline ready to riot in the streets like the depression in the twenties, child labor in the states is on the rise ... Fascism is on the rise... Basic human rights in the developed world are on the decline... Concentration of wealth is at an all-time high and the population which does all the work has the fewest resources in the history of the entire earth...
But "fuck Nestle" is the refrain
I understand we are sliding in that direction. My point is, once there, its harder to keep that regime alive.
How many people are okay with what Israel is doing? Or Russia? Or (now) the US? Despite the propaganda and censoring all over the internet, not many. Most people aren't buying it.
Once you're inside, the propaganda is all you get. See people in Russia and China. The repressions become draconian and people just go on with their lives in fear of losing them. With today's tech, I think fascism is actually easier to keep up.
I respectfully disagree. Cultural backgrounds also play a role and Russia and China have never known democracy.
Fascism in practice (not as a demented dream) is a harder sell in the West although we're not immune to it and we should 100℅ remain vigilant and fight its grown at all costs.
What West are you talking about? Fascism sensu stricto was invented in the West.
I'm talking the West that had Mussolini hanged upside down out on the public square once fascism was put to practice. The same west that had Hitler and his peers put a bullet to their heads, once their ideology was implemented.
Yes, these ideologies were invented in the West, doesn't mean we accept them wholeheartedly once they are implemented.
We'll see. I hope you're right. I'm just less optimistic.
Is it fascism or corporatism?
That's where Russian trolls come in,
Do you think people are buying it, though?
I've never seen so much cynicism against all things controlled media as I see today.
You're in a nice bubble, I see lots of people buying the Russian propaganda shit.
I think you're also in a bubble though.
Which is why I'm talking about people who aren't terminally online degenerates like us.
People who are largely apolitical, like my friends and family, none of them support Russia.
I even went to a few protests in front of the Russian embassy. Would you be surprised to know that there were exactly zero protests in Russia's defense in my country?
I'm definitely in a bubble, not in a terminally online one though. I'd say I exist in two sphears that don't overlap personally, rather spacially around me. One of them is an intellectual bubble that is overwhelmingly but not to a 100% full of people who oppose fascism of any flavour. The other one is a manual labourer or simple job worker bubble - I see a lot more diversity there, many people falling for different kinds of propaganda, superstition, fearmongering. Some of those are already hardcore nazis, some of them are sympathizers in some ways. They usually get informations from the TV, newspapers and friends, partially online as well - mostly Facebook.
That's fine, I'm not gonna disagree with this, however I don't see these people as a large, organized group that is bigger than the anti-Israel, anti-Russia status quo.
From TV, really? Maybe if you're talking about Fox News... That sort of TV doesn't exist in most European countries, Thankfully.
From the internet though yeah, i agree. But again, these aren't apolitical people at that point, if they are getting so involved in political discussions like that.
I'm from Europe. I don't know any completely apolitical people, really. Everyone has heard of some political topic and most of the topics make people feel strong emotions, based on which they form their opinions. In my country, the people from group 2 are not organized by themselves, but they are being successfully manipulated by rich populists. They are the majority and they are the group you need to win over to win any elections.
I understand your fears, I really do.
Its just... I don't think we're totally lost yet, thank God. I'm hoping people keep being somewhat aware that fascism is not the way, even if it's being increasingly promoted on the internet.
Let us do our part as well. Keep boycotting the US, keep protesting against Israel and Russia in public. There is little else we can do, but these things are powerful on their own as long as we don't lose momentum.