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You are talking individuals and small groups. And it's great that there is at least some resistance.
But the American population seen as a whole isn't doing anything. There are no massive demonstration outside the White House, ICE isn't blocked except in a few places.
So seen as a whole "they" the American population is largely accepting it seemingly with some 98% doing nothing, and only 2% is trying to do something.
Hats off to the few percent that do something, but it's depressing they are so few.
PS: The 2% is a guesstimate, based on that just 10% looks like a hell of a lot more than what we've seen in USA. 2% may even be overstating it. No kings had a decent turnout with an estimated 5 million. That's about 1.6% of the population, discounting people that are unable the number could possibly be said to be about 2%. Based on the most optimistic public number I know of.
Edit: Wow, I can only see the downvotes as people whining about how it's OK to do nothing. And me scolding them for it hurt their fee-fees.
I'm not American but neither are you, it seems.
I make careful claims I am sure I stand 100% behind - you make much wider claims like
and I would like you to back that up with something, put it in relation to, say, global numbers etc. and maybe also explain how you feel so confident about all that.
@Buffalox@lemmy.world
It feels like the No Kings protests maybe weren't reported in your area unless that's the 2% you mean? The DC protest around the White House drew 200,000 people. That's just the DC protest which is not a large area. DC only has a population of 700,000. The larger metro area around DC had numerous protests as well.
Nationwide roughly 6.5 million protested in October. That was the largest protest in US history if I'm not mistaken. Calling it "just 2%" does not acknowledge any of the actual realities. Large chunks of the population (such as many Latino communities) specifically chose not to join the protests so as to not instigate ICE violence that day. I saw that reported literally nowhere when it was happening and still gets glossed over in discussions today.
And of course a large chunk of the population voted for and still supports Trump. So that 6.5 million came from the half of the population that opposed Trump. The protesting crowds are trying to pull the other half from very deep seated indoctrination that news just can't express. The absolute strangle hold that the Puritan "salt of the earth, pull yourself up by the bootstraps, rugged individual" mindset has is so deep rooted and is being fought against daily.
Around me there are constantly protests and movements still going on at least once a month, far from DC, trying to connect with those people and drag them to the side of empathy.
The national guard was mobilized to crack down on protests around the White House starting back in August. That's still ongoing and yet there are still protests that try to organize and march around the White House. Doing so risks open warfare with a weaponized group of people so yes it doesn't happen as much.
So yeah, as @A_norny_mousse@feddit.org said, it's easy to judge from afar, but the actual on the ground reality here is complex.
Based on Wikipedia I just wrote a comment attributing no kings 5 mullion as is the highest estimate, which is 1.6% or maybe 2% if you discount children and the sick.
But still as I wrote earlier, compare that single day event to the noise generated by the Occupy Wall Street demonstration that lasted for 59 days!
The situation is worse now than it was then, but for some reason people are doing less?
But it's nice to hear that more is done than I thought. I hope it grows further.
If a turnout of 10% can be reached, there is no federal force big enough to stop that!
Occupy Wall Street was a very vocal minority of idiots (my brother helped organize it though did not go himself, I'm intimately familiar with it). They kind of just wanted vague change and did not build a lasting movement, just screamed really loud.
And as I said, that 5 million number misses so many intricacies that are hard to describe, like all the groups that intentionally skipped for valid reasons.
Comparing the on the ground reality of the current efforts for change to Occupy Wall Street is like comparing apples and beef.
The problem is not the federal force which is why it might seem like we aren't doing as much. The problem is the 50% of the country that still buys into the indoctrination and would vote the same people in again. A lot of focus in the general population has shifted to trying to educate and win over those people. That's not really reflected in the media which is still largely owned by billionaires and likes to push the hatred and keep the working class divided.
Just look at all the red areas losing seats in the special elections. Look at NYC and Zohran Mamdani getting elected inspite of how much money and influence was pushed against him. That's the sort of stuff people are working on right now.
Bingo. Spectators like to see everything in an easy, convenient Good vs. Evil standoff.
There's a lot of decent people who are, for lack of a better word...stupid, but as a product of their environment. They grow up in right-wing areas, repeat the right-wing talking points from their right-wing parents watching fascist propagandist television.
The smaller number of Really Bad People's whole goal is to influence a lot of decent but maleable people to champion irrational and horrible things, usually out of fear.
It's a hard battle but we're making some progress in cutting through the noise. Like leaving a cult, people are highly resistant to admitting they've been getting screwed the whole time, for generations, sometimes even.
Especially given how much the media and news organizations work not avoid showing how much people are upset. There are small protests and community aid actions and folks yelling at their representatives constantly.
Fascism needs to seem cool and popular to work and the media companies are supporting the regime in their efforts.
I can't prove a negative, but it would be extremely easy to disprove my claim by pointing to massive demonstrations in USA that took more than a couple of days.
The no kings was promising but went nowhere, there is no obvious grass root movement.
This should be bigger than occupy wall street but it isn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street
Regarding the 2%, that's about what it looks like, I haven't made meticulous calculations or seen actual professional estimates, but I can tell you that 10% looks like a lot more than what we are seeing in USA.
This is what a massive demonstration looks like:
https://www.dw.com/en/bulgaria-sees-biggest-protest-in-years/a-74975871
You may not see that there is an obvious problem in USA, even if the administration allows a Democratic administration to take over after next election.
The mere fact that Trump was elected, shows that the American society is sick.
You may call that another sweeping statement, but then it's also a sweeping statement to say a person has cancer. Because it's not all the cells in that persons body that are cancerous, in fact generally most of the cells are healthy. But that doesn't help that person one bit when that person dies of cancer!!
I would like to know why you want me to back up my statement, when you could easily disprove it if it isn't true.
It seems like you want the entire country to openly go into civil war, while completely dismissing the actual things that are happening.
So just someone who wants to get on the USA hate train.
My dude, the hate train is going full steam and for many, too numerous to list reasons. you don't have to deny reality to try and make it seem worse.
And what in my comments makes you think that? Problem is that allegedly Trump is already using the national guard now to stop protests around the White house.
While he prevented them when he tried to make a coup when he lost last time.
Trump is a traitor, and he wants to end democracy, but maybe you don't understand that?
We just had a record setting no kings protest. We are also very open to ideas and help
Every idea that's suggested gets immediately shot down. I've resigned myself to the fact that America is a collapsing empire and am directing my efforts to keeping that collapse contained.
Which ideas specifically were shot down? Sorry to press, but I have yet to hear anything more than armchair action hero moaning
I already mentioned no kings, it was a one time event, and nothing was done to follow up on it. It was a good effort, but it didn't have the result of creating a movement to continue the fight.
Try to compare with Occupy Wall Street, that lasted for 59 days, in a situation less critical than the current situation!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street
No it was not a "one time event".
Why aren't humans as a whole doing something about this? Why won't the human race just do something!
This is kinda on you btw.
Downvotes are for inaccurate statements that don’t contribute to the topic in question.
You’d probably be MAGA in your own country.