I've used proton for a year or two now and it is fine. Great for use on my phone when I want to use public/airport wifi and it sort of kind of works with gluetun (the rotating port is annoying but it still is a forwarded port).

But I've increasingly been annoyed with Proton as a company and am looking to migrate my email/domain to fastmail in the very near future. I COULD continue to just pay for the vpn (60 USD a year is pretty reasonable) but also feel like this is a good opportunity to "shop around"

Checked the wiki and other FAQs (which all basically crib from said wiki) and they all basically boil down to proton or mullivad... except that mullivad apparently stopped allowing port forwarding which is a bit of an issue for any torrents and the like.

So are there any other good options?

Thanks

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[–] Brumefey@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Why ? Asking seriously because they got multiple certifications about their no-logs policy done by independent third parties.

[–] user01@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement

[–] Brumefey@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What’s the relation with NordVPN ? Are other VPN providers I.e mullivad better ?

[–] MasterBuilder@lemmy.one 2 points 6 days ago

I'm guessing his/her point involves the location of its incorporation. Any company in the "five eyes" zone can be forced to release details about its users to any member state. One must evaluate whether NordVPN keeps anything more than a few hours - days tops - to decide if it is "safe enough". I was worried enough about this particular point that I chose a VPN that is not in any way beholden to five eyes or the fourteen eyes, which is a similar agreement.

Proton caught heat because of its release of information to the local law enforcement recently. While Switzerland is not part of the five eyes, it does have its own laws requiring a reveal in certain circumstances. I forgot the details, but I think they had an IP address that had not yet been wiped from cache, and that was enough to pinpoint the hackers being sought.

In truth, there's no sure way to be sure. One still must trust the organization is both honest and competent enough to properly wipe any residual information. No matter who it is, some amount of information has to be in cache for some time in order to be able to deliver the service, and there also needs something tracking the workings of the system to ensure it isn't overloaded or to find opportunities to improve it.

[–] DrDystopia@lemy.lol 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Nord is Lithuanian.

[–] user01@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago

Looks like its vpn is based in Panama. Not sure why I thought it was within 14 eyes jurisdiction. My bad