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[–] daannii@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Higher education is necessary. Most kids coming out of high school are incapable of almost anything except basic labor jobs. As our industries get more complex, skilled trained people are more and more necessary.

Certificates/degrees are incredibly valuable.

There are base skills everyone learns from an associates degree regardless of the focus.

Like adult skills. Managing time. Being responsible. Learning how to interact with others professionally. Learning to write better. And some better math skills.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

Yes, but everything you listed is the kind of crap we should be teaching in high school, and aren't. That's because America has a fascination with transforming our middle and high schools into tiny little prisons and disciplinary systems rather than places where education happens.

In a theoretical correctly functioning modern society, college absolutely should not be necessary to earn a living except if you wish to enter a specialized field where a significant degree of additional training and accreditation is required in order to, among other things, ensure public safety. If you want to be a doctor or dentist, lawyer, architect, critical infrastructure engineer, etc., then yes. Absolutely, there should be a degree for that.

No one should be attempting to demand with any kind of straight face that it should be "required" to have a nonspecific bullshit degree to get a job in sales, marketing, retail or even retail management, graphic design, programming, etc. In fact, the vast majority of both white collar and blue collar jobs in reality have absolutely nothing to do with getting a degree other than showing employers that you're Willing To Play The Game.