I've used proton for a year or two now and it is fine. Great for use on my phone when I want to use public/airport wifi and it sort of kind of works with gluetun (the rotating port is annoying but it still is a forwarded port).

But I've increasingly been annoyed with Proton as a company and am looking to migrate my email/domain to fastmail in the very near future. I COULD continue to just pay for the vpn (60 USD a year is pretty reasonable) but also feel like this is a good opportunity to "shop around"

Checked the wiki and other FAQs (which all basically crib from said wiki) and they all basically boil down to proton or mullivad... except that mullivad apparently stopped allowing port forwarding which is a bit of an issue for any torrents and the like.

So are there any other good options?

Thanks

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[–] matey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

What's going on with Proton the company?

Edit: ah fuck, thanks for the replies. Sigh.

[–] Wildfire0Straggler3@lemm.ee 45 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

The CEO said that Trump chose a great pick and sided with Republicans and there was a firestorm over it, he doubled down on his position through the official Proton channel.

https://archive.ph/2yWGz

[–] FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe 20 points 3 months ago

Ffs I literally just got proton. Fuuuuuck that

[–] Honzai@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e worth a read regarding that situation.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Like basically all tech companies, the leadership are libertarian tech bros. It sucks, but whatever. The problem is also that the CEO (?) has been making public statements to try and cozy up to the trump administration over the past few months

Some of that still falls under the LTB effect (These policies benefit the company so fuck everyone else, etc) and it DOES make sense for a company to try and earn themselves an exception for the upcoming hellscape in a market that will REALLY want VPNs. But it still leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.

Not in an "I MUST LEAVE PROTON NOW" state since I like the products because they tend to be pretty honest about what they will and won't do when the goons come a knocking and that mostly boils down to "cooperate. So do X Y and Z to protect yourself by preventing us from having the information they want"). But that, plus protonmail being kind of a shitshow if you want to keep offline copies of your emails, is motivation to shop around.

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago

I wouldn't exactly call Tim Berners-Lee a "libertarian tech bro".

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 9 points 3 months ago

"libertarian"

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Just FYI, the majority of Proton AG (which includes all Proton services) is owned by a non-profit body called the "Proton Foundation". This are headed by a board of 5 members, including Andy (CEO) and Tim Berners-Lee (the literal father of the internet as we know it).

Proton is fine.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

routing traffic through Israel is not fine.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Then don’t do that? You have your choice of servers.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

https://web.archive.org/web/20190318213020/https://cryptome.org/2015/11/protonmail-ddos.htm

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (12 children)

This is a decontextualized post from 2015 that theorizes a DDoS attack on Proton at the time was coercion to "help" them by offering to proxy their traffic through Bynet in Israel for the purpose of tampering. Is there any other info out there to support this theory? It's intriguing and believable but also complete hearsay absent any other corroboration, context, further info, etc.

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[–] Shadowfax@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Please elaborate

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

https://encryp.ch/blog/disturbing-facts-about-protonmail/

https://web.archive.org/web/20190318213020/https://cryptome.org/2015/11/protonmail-ddos.htm

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago (7 children)

It should be noted everywhere that this person posts this, that this is an allegation without any actual evidence to support it.

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[–] dan00@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

Omfg why even discussing andy pathetic bootlicking when this is a fucking cia honeypot… Their business plan was way too similar to google.

[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 months ago

Proton recently closed their masterdon account because of the mutual hostility