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I know places like Portugal and Spain are going through serious housing crunches right new and I know expats often exaggerate those problems. So where can an American flee oppression without just oppressing someone else?

For context: I'm a progressive lefty, thinking about long term relocation options cause the fash is getting pretty thick around here.

Edit: I know immigrants and expats (US or other) are not solely responsible overseas housing issues, but housing issues definitely exist across Portugal, Netherlands, etc. I don't want to increase that burden and would feel shitty if my housing offer outbid 300 local applicants.

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[–] Visstix@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I'm not saying immigration is the cause of the problem, I am saying that most people in most european countries blame it on immigrants and refugees. Just look at the elections. So I really doubt anyone would be jumping for joy with more. They are more than welcome to come here, I don't mind. Just... Good luck finding a house. (We do have a housing crisis here in the netherlands right now cause the whole system is gridlocked because of nitrogen)

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

"Imigrants" as the voters of right wing partys use it, means "anyone not white". Just look at their rethoric. They dont talk about a swede the same way as they do about tunesians, turkish, iranians

[–] troglodyte_mignon@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I’m not saying immigration is the cause of the problem, I am saying that most people in most european countries blame it on immigrants and refugees.

Actually, yes, you said that immigration was the problem, that’s what “we have an immigration problem” means. If you genuinely don’t see the problem with that sentence, picture someone in the 1930s saying “we have a Jews problem”. Does that mean that this person thinks that antisemitism is a problem, or does that mean that they are antisemitic?

What we have is a racism problem, not an immigration problem.

[–] Visstix@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Where did I say immigrants cause the problems then? I say we have an immigration problem because we can't house them all. And every time they want to build more refugee shelters people protest them. Making the problem even bigger. But sure call me or nazi or something wtf.

[–] troglodyte_mignon@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

But sure call me or nazi or something wtf.

Nobody called you a nazi... Wtf indeed.

[–] Visstix@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You know, the part where you bring up 1930 and jews. Are you stupid?

[–] troglodyte_mignon@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Apparently yes, I was stupid for giving you the benefit of the doubt and trying to talk with you. I’m ending the discussion here.