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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 153 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

Playing devil's advocate, I understand one point of pressure: Plex doesn’t want to be perceived as a “piracy app.”

See: Kodi. https://kodi.expert/kodi-news/mpaa-warns-increasing-kodi-abuse-poses-greater-video-piracy-risk/

To be blunt, that’s a huge chunk of their userbase. And they run the risk of being legally pounded to dust once that image takes hold.

So how do they avoid that? Add a bunch of other stuff, for plausible deniability. And it seems to have worked, as the anti-piracy gods haven’t singled them out like they have past software projects.


To be clear, I'm not excusing Plex. But I can sympathize.

[–] almost1337@lemmy.zip 53 points 3 days ago

I wish more people understood this perspective

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's really nice of them to fight the good fight while I use Jellyfin instead.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You may (half) joke, but MPAA attention on Jellyfin would suck.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago

I'd like to call this "the Ubuntu buffer".

[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe a dumb question: What exactly could go wrong? Has the MPAA done anything to stifle Kodi?

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

https://www.comparitech.com/kodi/kodi-piracy-decline/

https://www.digital-digest.com/news-64644-Netflix-Amazon-Join-Forces-with-the-MPAA-to-Sue-Kodi-Box-Maker.html

Based on our research, comparative search volume for “Kodi” has fallen around 85 percent from 2017 to 2022. Google Trends data reveals the dramatic decline started in Q2 of 2017 and has, for the most part, continued that trend up to this point. Consequently, the decline in people searching for Kodi directly relates to the appearance of the coordinated attack against piracy in the form of ACE.

And this is with Kodi furiously distancing itself from pirates at the time.

Attacks don’t have to be direct. Though they absolutely can be, too.

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Which doesn’t have half the features and crap security compared to Plex/Emby.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The security thing is ironic because my personal Jellyfin server (nor anything else on it) has been hacked, but Plex itself has had their database leaked recently. It's actually the main reason I switched because I don't like their auth servers being a giant common target. (Also, technically it theoretically means Plex employees can just let themselves in to people's private servers)

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

From their blog post about it:

An unauthorized third party accessed a limited subset of customer data from one of our databases. While we quickly contained the incident, information that was accessed included emails, usernames, securely hashed passwords and authentication data. Any account passwords that may have been accessed were securely hashed, in accordance with best practices, meaning they cannot be read by a third party.

The passwords were hashed and, I'm inferring from their language, salted per-user as well. Assuming a reasonable length password (complexity doesn't matter much here, what we want is entropy) it would take a conventional (i.e. not quantum) computer tens to hundreds of millions of years to crack one user's password.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah, I'm not really worried about it. I changed my password and moved on. It's just that hackers have every reason to try and exploit Plex, while individual servers are hardly worth someone's time and effort to go after when the payoff is maybe 1-2 usernames and emails

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

… my personal Jellyfin server (nor anything else on it) has been hacked…

And I’ve never been attacked by a bear while wearing my goose feather headdress.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Call it survivorship/selection bias if you want, but basically every hack I've been exposed to is from centralized servers getting exploited that serve millions of people. Plex, along with any other public facing service with lots of users, receives targeted attacks constantly. All my server receives is automated bots looking for 10-year-old Wordpress .php exploits (I don't even run php on my server).

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 days ago

There is that but it’s primarily that they’ve taken over 40 million dollars of venture capital. They are almost certainly under immense pressure to turn profitable asap and converting lifetime pass users into revenue streams somehow, converting new users into SaaS, etc are going to be things they pursue more aggressively.

Don’t take the devils money if you don’t want the devils stipulations

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They've taken other measures as well. Nobody knows the details besides them, but they blocked an entire cloud provider called Hetzner because too many people were using it for pirate Plex servers. They absolutely have to maintain the image of being legitimate like you said.