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Europe is looking for alternatives to US cloud providers (arstechnica.com)
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The global backlash against the second Donald Trump administration keeps on growing. Canadians have boycotted US-made products, anti–Elon Musk posters have appeared across London amid widespread Tesla protests, and European officials have drastically increased military spending as US support for Ukraine falters. Dominant US tech services may be the next focus.

There are early signs that some European companies and governments are souring on their use of American cloud services provided by the three so-called hyperscalers. Between them, Google Cloud, Microsoft Azure, and Amazon Web Services (AWS) host vast swathes of the Internet and keep thousands of businesses running. However, some organizations appear to be reconsidering their use of these companies’ cloud services—including servers, storage, and databases—citing uncertainties around privacy and data access fears under the Trump administration.

“There’s a huge appetite in Europe to de-risk or decouple the over-dependence on US tech companies, because there is a concern that they could be weaponized against European interests,” says Marietje Schaake, a nonresident fellow at Stanford’s Cyber Policy Center and a former decadelong member of the European Parliament.

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[–] Ironfist@lemmy.ca 64 points 5 days ago (3 children)

They need to look into using alternative root servers for DNS and domain registrations as well.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 35 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Multiple countries in Europe are already working overtime to rat-fuck DNS. I'd prefer if euro-leadership remained blissfully unaware of the root DNS servers.

[–] xnx@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What do u mean?

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There are several governments in Europe and abroad that have ordered DNS lookups for specific domains to be blocked.

They probably mean that we can't trust the government to keep information free and need a way to restrict governments from blocking DNS lookups.

Unfortunately, you can't really do DNS in a decentralized manner as the concept is based on a hirarchy.

Example:

If you want to go to www.coolsite.org your computer would make the following requests:

  • Hey root server, who handles requests for .org?
  • Hey .org DNS server, who handles requests for .coolsite.org?
  • Hey .coolsite.org DNS server, who is www.coolsite.org?

I don't really know how to decentralize this...

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, you can’t really do DNS in a decentralized manner as the concept is based on a hirarchy.

You very much can! As long as you understand that every . is a new level of hierarchy. And that hierarchy can be arranged, in any manner one desires. You can even have a different . as the root.

For example, you can be THE ROOT for all .stoy domains. You just have to get others to honor that, and ask you for addresses of anything in .stoy's inventory. Of course, they can all tell you to piss off, and instead trust someone else is the true owner of .stoy.

And, honestly? Nothing at all is wrong with that!

What is wrong is right now, EVERYONE agrees that a handful of never-changing owners of .com, .org, .net domains (And other TLDs) is THE ONE TRUE ANSWER FOR US ALL. I didn't agree to that. Did you? Do you enjoy Verisign being the one true keeper of .com?

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 days ago

Thank you for clarifying the issue better than I did!

[–] r00ty@kbin.life 12 points 5 days ago

All hypothetical of course. Not convinced things will go that far without some more clear indicators.

The root servers are already spread over the globe. Enough of them are operated by non US orgs too to handle things initially, I suspect that the localised anycast servers located outside the US for those USA based operators would probably go on serving.

It'd be trivial to replace them anyway, and frankly we traffic would be much lower anyway since a lot of the Internet is run by us based organisations.

For domain registration on tlds not run by the us, they should continue to operate fine.

[–] cestvrai@lemm.ee 5 points 5 days ago

We have I-Root and K-Root in Europe, these are certainly used…