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I will get down voted for this. But if you want an answer, here's what I believe happens:
Initially young men were mostly okay with social left, because: "let gay people be gay", "don't treat women worse than men", "don't be hateful to foreigners" are easy to agree to, they follow the principles of "let people do whatever they want if it doesn't affect you", "every human should be treated equally" and "don't hate entire groups of people for attributes they can't control, some individuals are good and some are bad in every group".
However, social left has moved the goalpost. Now it is: "we have to change the rules for the trans", "we have to give women privilege to compensate for misogyny", "we have to give minorities privilege to compensate for X-ism" which follow different principles than the first paragraph. And with the moving of the goalpost comes "if you are to the right of the goalpost after being moved, you are a fascist and a Nazi and I don't wanna hear what you have to say".
I liked and agreed with the first paragraph a lot. But I don't like the second one at all. And I believe this happens to a lot more young men.
That being said, I'm not retarded, I would never fote for a right wing party, specially since they are doing the same and moving the goalpost to the right so much that most of them are actually fascists.
I've been in the leftmost spaces most of my adult life. Accommodations for nuance have generally cost me a few calories in processing thought and not misgendering people but tha'ts it. It was annoying at times to learn new things but the impact on my ability to experience and navigate the world was nil. The benefits were that i got to have deeper connections with my friends of various genders and ethnicities.
I think if someone's coming from an unchallenged experience of masculinity that when people ask for accommodation they feel it as a personal attack because they never had to expend a single calorie of energy on it before, and now someone is asking them to.
It also just takes a looooong time (decades even) to get over one's own insecurities because it's easy to hide those behind a mask of masculinity. That part takes a lot more effort whereas the manosphere tells you that you don't have to climb that mountain because actualization is achieved hiding behind that mask.
This is it.
Equality feels like oppression when you're privileged.
Couldn't be me talking from personal experience 🫠
Yeah, keep antagonizing everyone that doesn't have the exact same opinions you do. It's gonna end great.
Also, that's a lot of assumptions you made there.
I meant the Royal "you". Fixing.
Me too. leftist spaces used to be about freedom for everyone. Now they are about screaming at everyone who doesn't agree with whatever the most 'progressive' point of view is that they are horrible and awful people.
Like, it's fine if you wanna be a transgender poly person, but it's not fine if you want to shit on everyone else who isn't and act like they are ignorant nazis and spend your days shitting on anyone who isn't in total agreement with your lifestyle.
Yeah it's definitely not a monolith. There were always those cis-hating types of spaces around and that's just counterproductive. Luckily my experience is in the "let's figure it or together" types of spaces which are far and away the majority. But everyone remembers the most irritating voice which is often also the loudest.
I think there's also a phase a lot of people go through in their journey where they feel a need to over-express their new identity. That can lead to social growing pains.
Bull fucking shit. Try suggesting militias to those groups once and watch how quickly they appeal to order and reason and not going too far.
You've hit the nail on the head but not in the way you think. Let's dig into the things you state made young men no longer accepting of the, (1) "let people do whatever they want if it doesn't affect you" and (2) "every human should be treated equally".
The goalpost-moved, "we have to change the rules for the trans". What do you mean? The whole trans issue was invented by the right wing as a new bogeyman to attack. Gay people were accepted (after many decades of abuse) by the general public - so they were no longer an effective target. New target: trans. I had honestly heard about trans people about a couple dozen times in my life prior to 2010, and I knew two of them. It was just not any kind of big deal. Very easy to file under (1) and (2). Zero impact to anyone's life but their own. Then all of a sudden: bathroom bans, Jordan Peterson talking about them a lot, Trump banning them from military service, and so on.. And so forth. There was no great request that trans people suddenly made to society - they were just thrust into the spotlight as a new target for people who are scared of anything they're not familiar with (conservatives) to fearmonger into the right ("teachers want to let your boys wear dresses to school and turn your kids trans!").
Next "we have to give women privilege to compensate for misogyny". What privilege? Honeslty. I'm really at a loss on this one. The privilege of police having to actually take reports and follow then up when they claim they're sexually assaulted or raped, as opposed to the 90s & prior standard of "are you sure you weren't asking for it?" & filing it in the back of the drawer to never see light again? The privilege of MeToo which is where many women came forward about sexual assault that they were pressured against mentioning in the past? Again, anyone on the left was fine with the 'privileges'? as they firmly slot into (1) and (2).
Please elaborate, because details matter on these two issues you list as prime examples of the left moving the goalposts 'beyond their original principles' - because to me, a leftist, they seem perfectly in line.
Elaboration:
By women privilege I don't mean anything to do with rape or sexual assault. Although laws that say "doing X to a woman is sexual assault" could easily say "doing X to a human is sexual assault" and nobody would complain, but that doesn't score as much political points for leftist politicians.
I mean things like scholarships, entrepreneurship subsidies, gender-bas hiring quotas.
And many other things that used to be "micro-sexism" when it was done against women, now it's done against men.
As an example, here's some anecdotal evidence: my girlfriend studies mechanical manufacturing in a public school, they are about 10 people in class, 2 of them women. Every year they take photos/videos of students working to advertise their school. 2/2 times they "chose" the 2 women to appear in the mechanical manufacturing adds, 0 men.
Later on, each group made a project and submitted it for a government program for entrepreneurs. They only chose 1 group from her class (guess which one, the one with 2 women). When they attended the gathering of the awarded ones, they asked the organizers and they admitted that no group for their class was good enough, they only got in because they were 2 women in a mechanical manufacturing class.
Every time I say cases like this there is one of 2 responses from the left:
I never hear this reaction: 3. Yeah that's fucked up, the men in that class are 2nd class citizens in the presence of women.
You said no group was good enough. Is it possible they had to award somebody and just picked the group that'd look better? Because most of us will instead see the problem in needing a winner at all. If noones qualified, just don't award anyone
I don't know if they had to pick someone. But even if they did, they should choose the better of them, instead of whichever had more women.
A 4.5/10 project is still better than a 3/10, even if neither would pass.
You are spot on. This is my personal beef with the left. Young men hate authoritarian bullshit, even if it's leftist.
Also the same myself. I am now a Nazi because I believe in equality, not inequality based on sex/race/gender. I've also personally experience environments where a woman/trans person can assault another person and gets off scot free because they are treated like toddlers, but if a hetero or male person did that, they'd get the cops called on them.
Young men are well aware the world has stacked the rules against them and they are going to support/listen to people who tell them how unfair and fucked up that is.
But the deck is far more stacked against the working class than it is men or women. They need to understand that they are workers first and everything else, gender, race, sexuality, etc, comes after.
I don't have a clue how to get there though.
Hit the nail on the head. This is something the majority can agree with, that the elite are exploiting us all for their gain no matter who we are. Man, woman, lgbtq, whatever, the elite exploits them all and left wing parties should be promoting this.