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Hot take: Rural drivers shouldn't get a say in how urban roads are designed
It's not their city. They don't live in it. They can stay in their town if they don't like it
My thoughts exactly!
Literally no. By definition small towns don't have a lot of things in them, and so the things they do have tend to be pretty basic. If you need specialist medicine, for example, you definitely will have to go to a major city. And that's not even getting into the open countryside people, who exist in at least the less dense European countries.
I mean, you can still hold the position they shouldn't get a say, but not that they can totally opt out of whatever is decided.
If they don't want to live where there is nothing then they shouldn't have chosen to live where there is nothing
Wait? Do you ever eat food? I'm guessing you do. That comes from the middle of nowhere for the most part. Certain other products too.
If you open a history book, it's cities that are optional. Yes, people who choose to be farmers or otherwise live outside of cities have to deal with long commutes to a city when they need something. If they were banned from even doing that, there'd just be starvation.
It's not the farmers that clog up cities' streets
Well, if they want to come to the city they should leave their car outside and take public transit or a bike.
If that's a viable option, definitely, but it isn't always and I can tell you public transport in Ireland is incomplete at best.
Okay, sure. But they will have to do it, and you will need some parking on the outskirts.
Is it not crazy to think that people in rural areas also enjoy the city and go to urban areas? It's still the same country.
As visitors though. I don't think their needs are irrelevant, but they shouldn't carry as much weight as the daily users'
So the inhabitants of small towns driving daily to work to the next city get a say? I don't know about Switzerland, but in my area these are a considerate amount, if not the majority of cars in smaller cities. Most don't need a car living in the city, but you cannot commute into the city without in most cases.
Would you consider someone who uses the road daily as a daily user?
If so, re-reading my comment will provide a solution.
Not sure it's visiting necessarily if it's their nearest urban center, as then it would be their main source of a lot of stuff so it's theirs too.
That sounds fair but urban people don't seem to have any issue with forcing their opinions on speed limits on rural people. If it works one way then why not the other?
They can drive however they want in their villages. But they need to follow our rules when they come to town.
They can't though, they have to follow rules and speed limits that are set by people not in their villages.
What are you talking about? If Lausanne sets a speed limit of 30 km/hr in Lausanne that does not change the speed limit in Morrens or Bercher or Savigny.
The article literally states that Ireland's department of transport lowered the default rural road limits for the country in February, that's exactly the sort of thing I had in mind.
No. The article states that URBAN is speed limit is set at 30km/h. RURAL road is already limited to 60km/h.
By rural they are talking about roads that are not within limits of cities. Note that town/city limits are much more defined in Europe. Usually the last house at the edge of town defines the end of the urban area and the beginning of the rural area.
That is what I said, yes. The point was that rural people in the same country as this urban change have already had their roads affected by people who don't live near and use said roads.
Edit: The relevant quote from the linked article:
How are they not affected? No one lives on rural roads. Everyone lives on urban roads. Rural roads are for driving between urban areas.
I don't know about Ireland, but in a lot of countries a lot of people live along rural roads.
And a lot of people walk or bike along rural roads, they also deserve to live safely.
You're responding to a comment using Swiss speed limits as an example. Here in Switzerland changes in the speed in an urban area do not cause changes in rural areas.
And you're commenting in a thread about Ireland, so I used a more relevant example. Nonetheless, I expect even Switzerland has things like country wide default speed limits and has its rural road speed limits set by a group in cities or at least the regional centres rather than each village getting to freely choose its own for the roads around it.
Anyways, I suppose I should thank you for providing more evidence that drivers are selfish morons.