Amsterdam did this, it's great.
We also prioritise bicycle lanes and pedestrians. Getting rid of cars is the best thigns for a city
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Amsterdam did this, it's great.
We also prioritise bicycle lanes and pedestrians. Getting rid of cars is the best thigns for a city
Public transport followed by safe cycling lanes are the best way to get people out of cars.
Amsterdam arguably has the best public infrastructure, I've done a fair amount of traveling and I can't think of better public infrastructure.
Two ton blocks of steel moving a excessive speeds and making a lot of noise isn't something you want around homes and people.
You might need to spend some time in a city like Amsterdam to understand, I loved cars before I lived here now I feel very differently.
Free, extremely convenient bicycle/motorcycle parking helps too.
Many cities in Switzerland are implementing the same, but there is significant opposition from the rural areas. I hope we will arrive at 30km/h in all urban areas.
"We would like to set a speed limit in the cities."
"Yo boss, the people from the countryside are protesting about your law in the cities."
What
How does no one in this thread realise that these "urban areas" speed limits also apply to all the tiny villages that are currently 50kph. In Europe any time you pass a village entry sign you are now in an urban area as far as speed limit goes. PS: I am for the 30kph limits, no qualm there.
I mean, that's how I read it, too. It's going to be the default for any urban area, cities of millions, towns of dozens.
But that doesn't stop rural towns from increasing the speed limit by posting a 50kph sign, either where it is reasonable, or overall. When you enter any town/city-limits by car, you need to slow down to 30kph, unless there is a speed sign allowing for higher or lower speeds.
This is literally all a town needs to say "the 30kph limit is nice, but we don't want that":
Could be people commuting
We mostly commute by train cause we have amazing public transportation, unfortunately they are working on cutting the 50% discount card for frequent train travelers because (no joke) too many people are using it (about 1/3 of the country). This will lead to public transport being more expensive than owning and commuting by car for many.
Duck them.
Hot take: Rural drivers shouldn't get a say in how urban roads are designed
It's not their city. They don't live in it. They can stay in their town if they don't like it
My thoughts exactly!
More incentive fo bikes and public transit if taking a car is more obnoxious (and safer for pedestrians)
Exactly. We have excellent public transport (possibly the best in the world, tied with Japan) and distances are short because the country is so small.
Bus is also gonna go 30 max though?
Buses generally don't go fast anyway in urban areas
They do, it's just the average speed is low because they have to stop every few hundred meters.
Speed limits on roads in built-up and urban areas can only be changed where a majority of the elected members in a local authority vote to do so.
This seems like the balanced approach. That would mean if thereβs an arterial road where a higher speed limit still makes sense they can keep it while deciding to use the lower limit on other streets, right?
On one hand fuck cars on the other hand I would personally want to go faster on an ebike
I've gone faster on a normal bicycle plenty of times and in that case if you don't have a speedo, you may not even know you're breaking the speed limit
Personally I say we ban cars and make one lane for slower bike riders plus a fast lane for bike riders
50 kp/h is the norm here in Estonia.