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Seems very much like indoctrination to get kids to "fall in line" and enforced conformity, to try to remove independent thinking.

I've always hated the idea of that. What do you think about it?

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[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Socialism isn’t the opposite of authoritarian. It’s always authoritarian to mandate uniforms, it has benefits as you and others have outlined but you are stripping people of their individuality and mandating what people can do that’s classic authoritarianism

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think there's a line where mandates are authoritarian and where they aren't, and it comes down the house beneficial for society or a group it is, but in particular also how exclusionary it is. Your view on determining it by face value is too simple for this.

For example, if you mandate only Hispanic kids to wear uniforms, by your logic, that is more moral and less authoritarian because less students are being made to wear a uniform as opposed to all of them.

Yet, it's obvious that is not the case, despite fitting into your statement.

Likewise, individualism has limits before it's simply chaos too, and therefore should also be looked as to what point it instead brings harm. People here have, for example, listed many reasons not having a uniform code can be detrimental as well (wealth class divisions, strengthening of cliques, weakening of the student body's efforts against things an administration will do).

Not to mention, even in your call for a lack of uniforms, you are still technically imposing mandates: not only against those who do wish to have them, but likely against what people want to actually wear. I doubt you want students going in boxers or bikinis for example.

And lastly, I'd like to mention that socialism is counter to authoritarianism. Authoritarianism might use some socialist aspects sometimes, but socialism itself isn't in the same spectrum as authoritarianism.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Mandates are authoritarian it is a governing body putting its authority on to you. It’s the literal definition here is a dictionary definition if it helps

It’s also authoritarian to mandate don’t commit murder or don’t steal.

This is a mandate from a governing body that strips away freedoms that previously existed. No idea where this idea of morality is coming from but it sounds like you might be mixing up fascism with authoritarianism. Fascism is an extreme form of authoritarianism with a heavy right wing influence as well.

I am not calling for a lack of uniforms

Socialism has a state which makes mandates upon those it has power over again text book authoritarianism but THAT DOESNT MEAN ITS BAD

I am not saying all authority is bad as it is needed but if you make a sliding scale of how much authority a governing body has and you take a neutral scenario like a school and you add a mandate that forces students to follow a specific dress code that’s a sliding of the scale to auth and away from anarchy