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Oh fuck this take. They were kids sold a lie by the powerful elite who had these goals. They get groomed and recruited out of ignorant conservative families then further brainwashed into a lifetime of authoritarian servitude. The GOP takes their entire lives away and lets them die early.
Some of the most liberal people I've ever met are former combat vets.
Some of the most conservative people I've met are vets that never saw a day of combat.
It's a fascinating trend
Also broke kids. Historically, the military has been one of the only reliable ways to escape the cycle of generational poverty and/or gangs. The government has a vested interest in keeping poor people poor, because impoverished areas are prime recruiting grounds.
Thank you.
As crude and shitty as OP's comment is, they're right. Being gullible doesn't mean you get more than others. All people deserve life, liberty and happiness, period.
You don't get more life, liberty, and happiness just because you were conned into fighting a rich mans war.
We live in the information age, if you're 18+, let's be real, 13+, and you don't stop to go on the Internet to find out whether or not you should be shooting people, you are fucking up.
There is one exclusion, if you're a Nazi, we'll bury whatever parts of you we can find after we fuck you up and you get nothing.
This ignores the intentional use of cyclical poverty to make the military the only viable option for many.
This gives them a "volunteer" army that they can do what they please with. Because people will always write them off because they "volunteered".
You start providing basic Healthcare, food, and housing to the whole population and pretty soon the military won't make their recruiting numbers.
It's the age old story. Want to eat? Sell your body to the powerful
I understand that, we want that eliminated.
i just think it's right that an organization takes care of someone that fought for it. ask other externalities excluded. i believe that is a responsibility that anyone that asks others to doubt for them ought to owe.
Also, this is your last 16 hours on Lemmy. Judging people from the comfort of not having to voice your own opinion so it can't be judged.
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You know what dude. I already apologized for being short, and you're going to come back after approaching and commenting on my shit attacking my character, and then accusing me of doing the exact thing you're doing, EVEN AFTER I SCREENSHOTTED YOU DOING THE SHIT and then continue to fucking do it?
You're out of your mind. Figure it the fuck out.
MY POINT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. EVERYONE EQUAL ASIDE FROM NAZIS.
Reread what has been said, and if you have anything else to say after that, fucking read it again.
What am I doing exactly? Am I telling strangers they are wrong for thinking veterans live sad lives and then telling anyone opposed to that to "fuck off"? I actually won't be responding further to you, because this platform is fucking shit. For every good interaction I have, I see horrifically bad takes and sometimes I make the mistake of responding to them. I probably need to delete my account.
You're still doing it. Right now.
You are projecting your shit onto me. Figure your shit out before you attempt to figure other people's shit out.
You are pretending you're unaware of what you're saying and doing. It does not look good and it doesn't excuse you.
We are two dudes in an elevator right now, you just farted and are attempting to blame it on me. I know I didn't fucking fart dude.
That's as simple as it's ever going to get.
Look at that, you did reread didn't you? And now you're playing clean up.
I did make the mistake of rereading and it didn't help. Yeah I'm done here.
I remember you too. Not sure why you're replying to a deleted comment though.
If you wanna chime in, I'd start with saying what you're thinking.
I'm not saying theyre bad people or even that being conned into killing people is murder. I'm saying you shouldn't be given separate rights. Everyone, and I truly mean everyone has the right to those things. There is nothing you can do that will make you more human or less human aside from being a Nazi.
Are you saying this opinion is wrong? If so, please elaborate.
Well then you're barking up the wrong tree. I didn't say that. I said what I said, and it wasn't that.
Likely. The only part I'm serious about though is what I said. Sorry for being short with you. I shouldn't have done that.
Ah, so they are just dumb and have no personal agency. Good defense.
I mean, I was a kid sold a lie by the predatory education system and I got in a whole lot more debt than they got paid to be in the military. Where is my Lifetime of low Interest rates? Where is my lifetime of somewhat pathetic medical care… Compared to zero medical care.
I don’t really care about the people who got brainwashed into being absolute fucking killer cunts. The United States should’ve learned this from Vietnam, when all those soldiers came back and no one wanted anything to do with them because… Guess what… They were the wrong ones.
Baby killers
Murderers
Just following orders
I don’t give a shit. Those kids wanted to kill people, and they were willing to kill people for practically nothing.
If you are a veteran, I hope that if you believe in heaven that you realize that you’re going to hell… Because breaking the Commandments includes not murdering for any reason whatsoever including for your country.
The Bible is pretty explicit that killing in warfare doesn’t count. The prohibition is specifically of murder. I’d ask if you were a Jehovah’s Witness, who do interpret the verse this way, but 99% of Christians and Jews would understand that commandment as only discussing killing out of warfare. You comment later that you are “playing to the Christian Reader” - this is something that absolutely would not work. (And why? Lemmy is like 90% atheist?)
Also - you get that the vast majority of people who join the military never kill anyone right? Not every soldier goes to the front lines, hell, the majority don’t.
Many people who join are young people who believe that they are actually protecting their country. Because, that’s what the military would ideally do. Yeah, in reality the US is a hegemon that does a lot of fucked up shit, but stupid 18 year olds don’t usually understand that. Someone whose body got fucked up because they believed that they were “protecting their country” because the media and their entire social world told them that should probably not be left in the cold.
And yeah, student loans are fucked too. Making this a “people who went to college” versus “people who went to the military” thing is the absolute dead opposite of class consciousness, and counterproductive as shit. I’m surprised you aren’t an .ml troll.
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They would have to have this opinion though given the crusades, genocides, violence etc that this religion has perpetrated. Like this is basic cognitive dissonance stuff here.
Having zero empathy is nothing to announce proudly
Jesus...
Jesus is fake. Murder is real. No excuse.
Pretty weird for you to go through my comment history and call me a baby killer, hey.
Of course only a Christian could have such a warped view of Christian faith and doctrine.
Atheist but… Playing to the Christian Reader.