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Yes it is for a lot of people. Do you think the system will happily keep working for those it persecutes? This is a mistake a lot of Jews, Democrats, LGBT and others make every time the can't imagine their country goes fascist, and it always backfires. Right now of those who're technically eligible for a passport, citizens with migrant origin (or those who "look like it") as well as trans people are already in danger of not being able to flee anymore. The first are persecuted by ICE, the second are being erased and now they (with Musk at the helm) start framing them as terrorists.
You're living under a fascist government, act accordingly and do it swiftly.
so interesting to me that the first line of reasoning to this kind of stuff is "fucking leave"
wonder what the stats are on people who would rather stay and fight it out.
"Yes it is for a lot of people"
Yes, changing your question will yield a different answer.
"Do you think the system will happily keep working for those it persecutes?"
it never has, why do you think a system will help the people it is persecuting? persecution is inherently harmful.
"...can't imagine their country goes fascist, and it always backfires. "
well, guess what, you don't have to guess anymore. your country is actively going fascist (you sound American).
"You're living under a fascist government, act accordingly and do it swiftly."
I am definitively not, and I've been helping others get out from under the boot heel for a decade and a half.
You're talking out your elbow.
as you're an American, I suppose you pay taxes and support that government that you claim upsets you so?
I don't.
sounds like you're the problem.
Your mode of conversation is quite odd.
I really got into specificity and accuracy lately, which does seem to confuse people.
I think you've gotten into being brief or "concise" but it isn't working, because instead you're just not explaining your thoughts clearly for others to understand you.
Also in this whole post, you seemed to not understand that OP's statement about needing a passport is because he is American and needs to be ready to escape as needed. So in this thread, someone said to get it now before it's too late, but your reply seemed to suggest that OP would always have access. So everyone was trying to explain to you that if he is an American currently targeted for persecution, he might lose that opportunity. Which you seem to agree with. I think everyone was just confused to your point.
"I think you've gotten into being brief or "concise" but it isn't working"
works great for me and other people; brief and concise answers don't work for you or other people who base their reasoning on assumptions.
you can remedy that by asking for clarification on the things you don't understand.
"you seemed to not understand that OP's statement about needing a passport is because he is American and needs to be ready to escape as needed."
I understood just fine, hence my specifically directed answer.
If you had asked for clarification rather than formulated a conclusion from a false assumption, you wouldn't be so wrong here.
your key incorrect phrase is a guess: "seemed to not understand...". this was wrong.
"someone said to get it now before it's too late, but your reply seemed to suggest that OP would always have access"
again, you are incorrect because you're drawing a conclusion based on a false assumption(...seemed to suggest...").
My replies didn't seem to suggest anything, i said very clearly that commenters who were telling him how difficult it was to get a passport were full of shit, because right now it Is very easy to get a passport.
in your head, you apparently pretended that the present tense implied "forever", which is not what I said or what the present tense implies.
"everyone was trying to explain to you..."
no, some people were as confused as you are and decided to draw incorrect conclusions based on false assumptions rather than ask questions. other people were not as confused or asked clarifying questions.
those people received clarifying answers for the things they didn't understand.
"you seem to agree with..."
it is a known fact, I don't know why everyone in the thread expects anyone to disagree with marginalized populations being persecuted.
"I think everyone was just confused to your point."
many people were confused, yes. but everyone who asked clarifying questions rather than drawing incorrect conclusions based on false assumptions got clarification.
I don't really care if people get confused by unfamiliar facts, that is the state of people and the world they briefly occupy.
That confusion is fairly easy to solve; easily remedied, willfully refused.
It's not my job to force you into making sense by asking you clarifying questions. I'm just trying to offer suggestions to help you figure out why you're getting voted down so hard since you don't seem like a troll.
For example, you claim that you clearly stated that nothing is stopping him right now. That is absolutely not what anyone thought you said, hence all the down votes. But if you like the new you; forcing people to engage with your posts to weed out whatever your meaning is, then whatever, you do you.
"It's not my job to force you into making sense by asking you clarifying questions."
since the information is very clear and succinct, other people understand what I'm saying, and you are having the comprehension problem, if you want further clarification, it is your job to ask that clarifying question politely and clearly.
"I'm just trying to offer suggestions to help you figure out why you're getting voted down so hard"
don't need them, the downvotes aren't tricky to figure out.
i am sincere; the internet does not like that.
I offer practical, simple answers; hipster cynics do not like that.
I don't bother explaining every single detail of every broad concept; people don't like asking for help or clarification(makes them nervous).
but I don't really care about the cretins; people who are paying attention and thinking critically do ask me for help or information, and I provide that.
I'm uninterested in scraping the bottom of the barrel currying favor from disrespectful, lazy commenters.
"you claim that you clearly stated that nothing is stopping him right now"
do i? I don't remember that. are you extrapolating or assuming again?
"That is absolutely not what anyone thought you said"
plenty of people do understand, and I am not concerned with those who misunderstand or attack me, flame wars are just a fun distraction in which I get to continue providing information for those actually paying attention.
"you do you. "
hot damn, could have just said that.
no point changing what works.
Lol I hope you are a troll. Nice work. If you're a narcissist, seek help.
You sound just like Trump. "Everyone gets me but the cretins". Covfefe, friend. Good stuff. Zero people understood you, I thought you might care about that.
Bwahahaha. Apparently your "accuracy" doesn't include the wisdom to avoid rhetorical nonsense, for example how not to construct a straw man. I saw similar behaviour with other people before. You're either a troll or lying to yourself. Either way and with all due respect, you're full of shit. I take the "you sound American" as a compliment for my English skills though, given it's not my first language. I'm not American, fortunately.
yes, bwahaha.
boy, I wish whatever orientation class you guys attended that taught you the wrong definition of "straw man" means actually taught you what the phrase "straw man" means instead.
"you're full of shit."
nope, That's another assumption born of frightened ignorance.
"I take the..."
of course you did, your entire answer is based on false assumptions.
Damn, is your name JVC? 'cause you're projecting like a pro.👌
whatever listicle taught you these words, you are using them incorrectly.
parroting a buzzword when you are proven wrong just makes you look wrong and ignorant.
Lol, if you think this was changing the question, no wonder people get "upset" at you for your obsession with "accuracy".
lol, I don't mind people getting upset over accuracy.
Am I having a stroke? It looks like you're debating someone but there isn't even a difference of opinion
"Am I having a stroke?"
I can't definitively tell from here, but your typing suggests not.
"It looks like you're debating someone but there isn't even a difference of opinion"
there's a difference of fact, context and "yes" isn't very close to "no", but many people in this thread appear as confused as you are, so don't take your lost footing to heart.
it isn't good for your stroke anxiety.