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The source of the disagreement isn't that there isn't a problem, but what the source of the problem is and how we should go about addressing it.
Only 4.6% of the housing stock in the US are second homes (source). Even if they were all available, that's not enough to make a dent in the housing market. Not to mention that most of these homes are in states like Vermont, Maine, and West Virginia where the housing crises is not the worse because houses there are cheaper than elsewhere and the demand is lower than elsewhere.
It does provide a link to a study actually, check again.
Different source, but the number of vacant houses held by investors is around 880,000 or 63% of vacant houses in the country (source). There's no data for renovations specifically, but a portion of this figure would fall under that category.
It's a factor, but there's still not enough vacant units held by investors to meet demand. We have an actual housing shortage.
No, we don't. I agree that some landlords are slum lords and they're bad, and I also agree that a lot of corporate landlords aren't great, but landlords are like any other other service providers, there's good and bad.
This is just false. Small rental properties are defined as buildings that have 1-4 units, they make up 46% of the rental market in the US, and over 70% are own by private individuals, and around 70% are managed by the same owners (source). That's a pretty significant portion.
Speak for yourself. You can't make sweeping generalizations or conclusions off of your anecdotes. I know a few people who own duplex and triplexes, and they would literally be homeless if they did not have their tenants helping them out. You're oversimplifying things to fuel a narrative you subscribe to rather than looking at things through an objective lens.
Property can be both because there are different types of property. When it comes to housing specifically, if we want average homes to become more affordable and remove the investment aspect of them then we have to build new houses. We have to build so many new houses that not only do we fill up the inventory shortage and meet demand, but go far beyond that to the point where we turn the housing market into a buyer's market forcing sellers and developers to compete. That's how we can get a plentiful supply, that's genuinely affordable for middle class and working class people.
This term is defining certain behaviors that are unethical, harmful, and immoral. The actual concept of renting itself is fine. You're paying a fee to a get a service, there's nothing inherently wrong with that.
So when I specificly quoted the word renovations, and said it does not provide links or sources in my paragraph about renovations, did you think maybe I was talking about data for renovations?
You literally just told me to check again for data you admit doesn't exist 2 sentences later. Either you're not paying attention to what is being said, or your looking for whatever excuse you can to disagree with me in order to ignore what I'm actually saying. Either way continuing would be a waste of time.
This was your exact statement. You said the article didn't provide a link to specific numbers or the original study, so I went backed and looked, and it was linked right at the beginning. I went and looked at the study and found out that they didn't have specific info for renovations, the article just listed it as just one example for vacancies. So out of courtesy, I went out of my way to provide you a source for the info you specifically asked for.
But you're not worth any courtesy or effort. Like what the fuck is your problem? This was meant to be a lighthearted discussion, why are you acting like you got log jammed up your ass? Like holy shit do you sound like an absolutely insufferable douche. But you know what, you're absolutely right, this conversation is not worth continuing. You're not worth my time, so piss off asshole.
Incorrect. My exact statement was:
(emphasis added)
A single sentence on both sides of what you quoted provide all the context you need. If you pay any attention to the context it's clear I was referencing renovations, especially when you consider that the paragraph before I responded to the point about vacation homes, and the paragraph after I responded to the point of them being held for investments. Anyone bothering to read what I was saying instead of skimming for things to argue against would have recognized I was splitting up the specific points using clear quotes and paragraphs to differentiate which specific point I was addressing at the time.
Every accusation is a confession. I said you're not paying attention to what I'm saying, you responded with swears, cursing and personal insults. Like what the fuck is your problem?