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Is this not the reason the second amendment exists? Regards An Australian Edit: I'm not advocating for violence. More so "a well regulated militia" which could be established by protesters or Democratic Governors for genuine self defence.

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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Because people who are legal concealed carry permit holders regularly get shot in the back by police. People who act like you can stand up to a major world military are idiots.

[–] RenLinwood@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Don't turn your back on the police and don't face them alone, fucking duh. Cops are cowards, they'll be a lot more hesitant to shoot someone if there's a credible risk of dozens/hundreds of other people immediately shooting back.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

don’t face them alone

*pervasive surveillance state has entered the chat*

[–] RenLinwood@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Idk how you figure that has anything to do with whether or not you open carry alone

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

How do you organize an armed group that's big enough to be effective without the fascists hearing about it in advance?

[–] RenLinwood@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago

You probably don't, catching them completely off guard isn't a reasonable expectation or a good reason not to try

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

No shit. That's the problem. You bring your friends and the cops will bring their tanks. Then what, have a dick measuring contest?

... Oh wait, they'll gun you all down and laugh about it instead.

So yeah, guns can be used, but let's not pretend flexing your firearm in public will easily accomplish your goal. Be thoughtful and careful about when and where.

[–] RenLinwood@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

We had tanks in Afghanistan, didn't stop us from losing. Nobody in history, no matter how well armed, has ever won a war against a dedicated insurgency.

[–] Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 weeks ago

This right here. Asymmetrical warfare is terrible for modern occupying armies.

[–] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's kind of like how many people are afraid of geese. An angry goose can give significant bruises and is basically impossible for an average person to restrain without killing the goose, so the only option is to run away. Because the easy win of breaking the goose's neck is not on the table for most people.

The US lost in Afghanistan because the goal was to turn it into a functioning democracy, and the local culture did not support that. If the goal had been "winning", the Army was entirely capable of slaughtering the large majority of the population and then importing settlers to numerically overwhelm the remnant population. Like our ancestors did to the Native Americans.

[–] RenLinwood@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 weeks ago

An insurgency vs an oppressive government is nothing at all like a pedestrian vs a goose, nobody has ever been killed by a goose. The goal was never to create a democracy in Afghanistan, it was just to plunder oil and opium. Wholesale unrestrained slaughter of the civilian population would have destroyed any plausible deniability about our actual goals and united the entire region far more effectively, giving us less time to loot. Also the US can't afford to slaughter our own population like we did to native americans because we need their labor for our economy to function.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 points 3 weeks ago

Well, 20$ drone go brrr

[–] stoly@lemmy.world -2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

No, that's when the tanks come in. Have you forgotten that the police have used airplanes and bombs to subdue people? They have even destroyed entire neighborhoods. In what world do you live where you think you can win here? You will be squashed just like millions before you and the world will keep turning.

[–] RenLinwood@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Nobody in human history has ever won a war against a dedicated insurgency. You're historically/militarily illiterate and a coward.

[–] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you define failed movements as either "not wars" or "not dedicated", sure. A recent depressing example I am assuming is definitioned out of your view is Hong Kong, which is firmly under the control of mainland China. A slightly more distant example is Northern Ireland, which is firmly part of Britain.

[–] RenLinwood@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Hong Kong was definitely not even close to a dedicated insurgency, in large part because the majority of the population appears to understand that they're better off with China than they ever would be with the UK. China never even came close to deploying tanks and bombs either, terrible example.

Northern Ireland was much more successful while they were still fighting, then popular support for the IRA waned due to concessions on the part of the UK because they could see they weren't going to win.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They folded under pressure, they knew they were dealing with the risk of being disappeared.

[–] RenLinwood@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ok, gotcha.

+150 social credit points!

[–] RenLinwood@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Lol really living up to your username bud

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You already won, China just needs to wait, and pick up the ashes. All your competition just killing itself.

Tf you want? Why not just stop pretending, go mask off, declare to everyone whatever the truth is? Why play around, no insurrection is possible.

[–] RenLinwood@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago

What ashes? What the fuck are you talking about?

[–] stoly@lemmy.world -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And you stopped arguing and started making personal attacks so this conversation serves no further purpose.

[–] RenLinwood@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No, I made a coherent historical argument and then accurately personally attacked you, you're using the second part as an excuse to ignore the first part but we both know you've got no counter-argument. Like I said, fucking coward.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The answer is that people aren't willing to die in the tens of thousands to millions when they hope to unseat the scum in 26 ot 28

[–] RenLinwood@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago

Those are absurdly unrealistic numbers but you're not wrong about the delusional hope of voting their way out keeping a bunch of people complacent for the moment