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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

You know what, this is why Democrats lose the messaging game and lose elections.

Hate the game but play it FFS.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 12 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

No, the reason neoliberals lost the messaging war, was they think like conservatives instead of like the Dem voting base.

They see what works on trump voters, shove it down Dem voters throats, and act fucking shocked a decade later when it's still not fucking working.

If what works on Republican voters worked on Dem voters, wed all be Republican voters already.

This shit doesn't work on Dem voters, and Republicans are so far up Trump's ass, they'll literally never see it

All it does is piss off the actual "middle" who aren't loyal to either party and think the main problem is neoliberals are too similar to Republicans.

We win their votes by being not Republicans not acting more like Republicans.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world -3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

I disagree.

The game to be played here isn't about Democratic voters here, they suck very much in their own way with their whiney "I refuse to vote if it's not my candidate I voted for in the primary" but that's a different but definitely a problem from Democrats and sucking so much balls in messaging.

We're talking about the Average American voter here, the Green Day/George Carlin idiots who get their news from just the headlines or snippets from their favorite podcaster and that's the majority of the voters here. And guess what, that Republican lying works and works very, very well.

Just look at what we had in the 2024 election, exit polls showed that voters were upset over the direction of the economy as one of the biggest issues.

We had a bumbling idiot and a bumbling idiot and a bunch of bumbling idiots who couldn't get over talking about inflation lowering in the abstract and the IRA while basically ignoring what the non-voting, average American was actually clamoring for, "Why in the hell are my groceries so damn high and what are you going to do about it?".

The lies that were overly simplified, stupid, and not based on any sense of reality that Trump and the rest of them pushed onto the news, onto social media, onto podcasts were all over the place and guess what, it works on Americans.

So again, play the game of Calvinball here.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago

“I refuse to vote if it’s not my candidate I voted for in the primary

Well, the great news is the last time that happened was 2008 when Obama beat the neo liberal.

It's just when neolinerals lose the primary, it literally doesn't matter what they do in the general

The meh news is now that we finally have a non biased DNC, the neoliberals will do it again But like I said, when we have a popular candidate in the general, we don't need neoliberals in the general.

You should read up more on modern American political history ...

You're just repeating billionaire talking points.