I respect people's right to use apple products, but please stop asserting "privacy", big corps doesn't give a shit.
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Ok please let me know when you have more information I am very interested to know.
This should be it , and somewhere I have a podcast feed about all the details
https://gizmodo.com/apple-iphone-analytics-tracking-even-when-off-app-store-1849757558
While the amount of data gathered is concerning, the type of data is still considered telemetry, which you still agree to have them collect when accepting the terms and conditions of the App Store.
That isn’t to say I’m happy Apple is doing this, but I wanted to start by making that distinction: Apple isn’t “ignoring” your preference to turn off personalized ads, it’s collecting telemetry data which you’ve already given them permission to do when signing up for and using the App Store. The issue with this telemetry data from a privacy perspective is the amount and the fact that it can still be used to identify a user. These are rightly concerning.
It looks like a class-action suit was brought against them for this, and as of September of 2024 a judge trimmed some of the claims, but refused to toss out the suit meaning Apple has to defend themselves. Unfortunately that’s all the information I can find. Do you have anything from after that point? I’m only asking because I don’t and would like to know how it’s going.
Sucks Apple is doing this for sure, but at this point unfortunately it doesn’t seem to violate any existing agreements (would like to see how the class-action progresses to confirm this) and there is still no sign that they’re selling this data or using it to deliver you personalized ads. Pending the results of the suit I’m gonna have to reiterate that even with this, they’re absolutely the lesser evil. But still an evil.
Still possible but also still unfounded, so far.
I have to search through two years of podcasts LOL. The issue is the setting misinforms the user. On: we collect your dara, off: we don't. But they still were. Had they had no toggle it would fall under TOS. But giving a person a facade of choice is dubious
Looking beyond just podcasts, the terms and conditions of the App Store itself are what covers collection of this data. I agree with you an argument could be made that the user is being misinformed or misled, and am not going to defend Apple doing that. But there’s a conflation being made I think behind device data collection settings vs App Store terms and conditions telemetry data, and what data is being collected based on each.
In other words, shady practices for sure but this might be (at least partially) a case of sensationalism over a misunderstanding of what kind of data the device settings and App Store terms and conditions cover, and which terms we’re talking about.
There is the issue about Siri sending info also even if you opted out.
I think its probably minor compared to Google's harvesting on android, and probably kept within Apples garden, but with a Corporation ( and now Fascist regime ) they will eventually choose profit or government compliance over privacy.
I've moved to GrapheneOS to avoid google, but Google seems too be closing off OpenSource parts of Android, so that Project will probably come to end at some point.
Yeah the Siri thing has no excuse. What I can say about that though is it got a public apology, and since has become an opt-in setting that users are presented with on the setup of any new device. I think the bad press caught up with them on that one and they were fairly quick to own up and correct it.
Absolutely legitimate criticism, but I don’t see Google backtracking on any privacy-hostile actions and yet people still use Chrome and Android. Apple’s made mistakes and sometimes is a little stubborn about it, but they are relatively quick to admit fault and course correct. Can’t ask for much more from a large corporation these days.
It’s my understanding that GrapheneOS and LineageOS are going to eventually impacted by the new signing requirements, which I think is what you just hinted at too. What a shame, I love grapheneOS for my work phone and would love to keep using it. Unfortunately if this will affect them I don’t know if the masses will have a better choice than iOS. Again, a full featured Linux phone is the dream but I don’t see one taking up much market share in the near future.
In the meantime I don’t see why Apple gets all the hate wrt privacy when they at least are capable of apologizing and reversing their decisions when called out. Many people I’ve met IRL that hate Apple for these reasons seem to use Google services or zuck-owned social media and not understand the irony. Sometimes it just feels like generic bandwagon hate to me, which is all I’m arguing against here tbh.
I think the hate is because they tout privacy and then fail in some areas, but a large part of the fan base is evangelical about apple even with the let downs. While Google gets forgiven because it is like "hell yeah we will sell your data."