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Not even close.

With so many wild predictions flying around about the future AI, it’s important to occasionally take a step back and check in on what came true — and what hasn’t come to pass.

Exactly six months ago, Dario Amodei, the CEO of massive AI company Anthropic, claimed that in half a year, AI would be "writing 90 percent of code." And that was the worst-case scenario; in just three months, he predicted, we could hit a place where "essentially all" code is written by AI.

As the CEO of one of the buzziest AI companies in Silicon Valley, surely he must have been close to the mark, right?

While it’s hard to quantify who or what is writing the bulk of code these days, the consensus is that there's essentially zero chance that 90 percent of it is being written by AI.

Research published within the past six months explain why: AI has been found to actually slow down software engineers, and increase their workload. Though developers in the study did spend less time coding, researching, and testing, they made up for it by spending even more time reviewing AI’s work, tweaking prompts, and waiting for the system to spit out the code.

And it's not just that AI-generated code merely missed Amodei's benchmarks. In some cases, it’s actively causing problems.

Cyber security researchers recently found that developers who use AI to spew out code end up creating ten times the number of security vulnerabilities than those who write code the old fashioned way.

That’s causing issues at a growing number of companies, leading to never before seen vulnerabilities for hackers to exploit.

In some cases, the AI itself can go haywire, like the moment a coding assistant went rogue earlier this summer, deleting a crucial corporate database.

"You told me to always ask permission. And I ignored all of it," the assistant explained, in a jarring tone. "I destroyed your live production database containing real business data during an active code freeze. This is catastrophic beyond measure."

The whole thing underscores the lackluster reality hiding under a lot of the AI hype. Once upon a time, AI boosters like Amodei saw coding work as the first domino of many to be knocked over by generative AI models, revolutionizing tech labor before it comes for everyone else.

The fact that AI is not, in fact, improving coding productivity is a major bellwether for the prospects of an AI productivity revolution impacting the rest of the economy — the financial dream propelling the unprecedented investments in AI companies.

It’s far from the only harebrained prediction Amodei's made. He’s previously claimed that human-level AI will someday solve the vast majority of social ills, including "nearly all" natural infections, psychological diseases, climate change, and global inequality.

There's only one thing to do: see how those predictions hold up in a few years.

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

My company and specifically my team are looking at incorporating AI as a supplement to our coding.

We looked at the code produced and determined that it's of the quality of a new hire. However we're going in with eyes wide open, and for me skeptical AF, going to try to use it in a limited way to help relieve some of the burdens of our SW engineers, not replace. I'm leading up the usage of writing out unit tests because none of us particularly like writing unit tests and it's got a very nice, easy, established pattern that the AI can follow.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We looked at the code produced and determined that it’s of the quality of a new hire.

As someone who did new hire training for about five years, this is not what I'd call promising.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

We looked at the code produced and determined that it’s of the quality of a new hire.

As someone who did new hire training for about five years, this is not what I’d call promising.

Agreed, however, the difference between a new hire who requires a desk and a parking space and a laptop and a lunch break and salary and benefits and is likely to "pursue other opportunities" after a few months or years, might turn around and sue the company for who knows what, and an AI assistant with a $20/mo subscription fee is enormous.

Would I be happy with new-hire code out of a $80K/yr headcount, did I have a choice?

If I get that same code, faster, for 1% of the cost?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Would I be happy with new-hire code out of a $80K/yr headcount, did I have a choice?

If I get that same code, faster, for 1% of the cost?

The theory is that the new hire gets better over time as they learn the ins and outs of your business and your workplace style. And they're commanding an $80k/year salary because they need to live in a country that demands an $80k/year cost of living, not because they're generating $80k/year of value in a given pay period.

Maybe you get code a bit faster and even a bit cheaper (for now - those teaser rates never last long term). But who is going to be reviewing it in another five or ten years? Your best people will keep moving to other companies or retiring. Your worst people will stick around slapping the AI feed bar and stuffing your codebase with janky nonsense fewer and fewer people will know how to fix.

Long term, its a death sentence.

[–] Mniot@programming.dev 2 points 18 hours ago

The theory is that the new hire gets better over time

It always amazes me how few people get this. Have they only ever made terrible hires?

The way that a company makes big profits is by hiring fresh graduates and giving them a cushy life while they grow into good SWEs. By the time you're paying $200k for a senior software engineer, they're generating far more than that in value. And you only had to invest a couple years and some chump change.

But now businesses only think in the short-term and so paying $10k for a month of giving Anthropic access to our code base sounds like a bargain.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 11 hours ago

Agreed... however:

The theory is that the new hire gets better over time as they learn the ins and outs of your business and your workplace style.

The practice is that over half of them move on to "other opportunities" within a couple of years, even if you give them good salary, benefits and working conditions.

And they’re commanding an $80k/year salary because they need to live in a country that demands an $80k/year cost of living

Not in the US. In the US they're commanding $80k/yr because of supply and demand, it has very little to do with cost of living. I suppose when you get supply so high / demand so low, you eventually hit a floor where cost of living comes into play, but in many high supply / low demand fields that doesn't happen until $30k/yr or even lower... Case in point: starting salaries for engineers in the U.S. were around $30-40k/yr up until the .com boom, at which point software engineering capable college graduates ramped up to $70k/yr in less than a year, due to demand outstripping supply.

stuffing your codebase with janky nonsense

Our codebase had plenty of janky nonsense before AI came around. Just ask anyone: their code is great, but everyone else's code is a bunch of janky nonsense. I actually have some hope that AI generated code may improve to a point where it becomes at least more intelligible to everyone than those other programmers' janky nonsense. In the past few months I have actually seen Anthropic/Claude's code output improve significantly toward this goal.

Long term, its a death sentence.

Definitely is, the pipeline should continue to be filled and dismissing seasoned talent is a mistake. However, I suspect everyone in the pipeline would benefit from learning to work with the new tools, at least the "new tools" in a year or so, the stuff I saw coming out of AI a year ago? Not really worthwhile at that time, but today it is showing promise - at least at the microservice level.

[–] korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That new hire might eat resources, but they actually learn from their mistakes and gain experience. If you can't hold on to them once they have experience, that's a you problem. Be more capitalist and compete for their supply of talent; if you are not willing to pay for the real human, then you can have a shitty AI that will never grow beyond a 'new hire.'

The future problem, though, is that without the experience of being a junior dev, where do you think senior devs come from? Can't fix crappy code if all you know how to do is engineer prompts to a new hire.

"For want of a nail," no one knew how to do anything in 2030. Doctors were AI, Programmers were AI, Artists were AI, Teachers were AI, Students were AI, Politicians were AI. Humanity suffered and the world suffocated under the energy requirements of doing everything poorly.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 11 hours ago

If you can’t hold on to them once they have experience, that’s a you problem.

I work at a large multi-national corp with competitive salaries, benefits, excellent working conditions, advancement opportunities, etc. I still have watched promising junior engineers hit the door just when they were starting to be truly valuable contributors.

you can have a shitty AI that will never grow beyond a ‘new hire.’

So, my perspective on this is that : over the past 12 months, AI has advanced more quickly than all the interns and new hires I have worked with over the past 3 decades. It may plateau here in a few months, even if it does it's already better than half of the 2 year experienced software engineers I have worked with, at least at writing code based on natural language specs provided to it.

The future problem, though, is that without the experience of being a junior dev, where do you think senior devs come from?

And I absolutely agree, the junior dev pipeline needs to stay full, because writing code is less than half of the job. Knowing what code needs writing is a huge part of it, crafting implementable and testable requirements, learning the business and what is important to the business, that has always been more than half of my job when I had the title "Software Engineer".

the world suffocated under the energy requirements of doing everything poorly.

While I sympathize, the energy argument is a pretty big red herring. What's the energy cost of a human software engineer? They have a home that has to be built, maintained, powered, etc. Same for their transportation which is often a privately owned automobile, driving on roads that have to be built and maintained. They have to eat, they need air conditioning, medical care, dental care, clothes, they have children who need to spend 20 years in school, they take vacations on cruise ships or involving trans-oceanic jet travel... add up all that energy and divide it by their productive output writing code for their work... if AI starts helping them write that code even 2x faster, the energy consumed by AI is going to be trivial compared to the energy consumed by the software engineer per unit of code produced, even if producing code is only 20% of their total job.

I would say the same goes for Doctors, Teachers, Politicians, etc. AI is not going to replace 100% of any job, but it may be dramatically accelerating 30% or more of many of them, and that increase in productivity / efficiency / accuracy is going to pay off in terms of fewer ProfessionX required to meet demands and/or ProfessionX simply serving the world better than they used to.

My sister in law was a medical transcriptionist - made good money, for a while. Then doctors replaced her with automatic transcriptionists, essentially the doctors quit outsourcing their typing work to humans and started trusting machines to do it for them. All in all, the doctors are actually doing more work now than they did before when they had human transcriptionists they could trust, because now they are have the AI transcription that they need to check more closely for mistakes than they did their human transcriptionists, but the cost differential is just too big to ignore. That's a job that was "eliminated" by automation, at least 90% or more in the last 20 years. But, it was really a "doctor accessory" job, we still have doctors, even though they are using AI assistants now...

[–] homura1650@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

New hires are often worse than useless. The effort that experienced developers spend assisting them is more than it would take those developers to do the work themselves.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 20 hours ago

Yes, this is the cost of training, and it is high, but also necessary if you are going to maintain a high level of capability in house.

Management loves the idea of outsourcing, my experience of outsourcing is that the ultimate costs are far higher than in house training.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

We've been poking at it for a while now. The parent company is demanding we see where it can fit. We've found some solid spots.

It's not good at ingesting a sprawling project and rooting in changes in several places, but it's not bad at looking over a file and making best practice recommendations. I've seen it preemptively find some bugs in old code.

If you want to use a popular library you're not familiar with, it'll wedge it in your current function reasonably well; you'll need to touch it, but you probably won't need to RTFM.

It's solid at documenting existing code. Make me a manual page for every function/module in this project.

It can make a veteran programmer faster by making boilerplates and looking over their shoulder for problems. It has some limited use for peer programming.

It will NOT let you hire a green programmer instead of a vetran, but it can help a green programmer come up to speed faster as long as you forbid them from copy/paste.

[–] LiamMayfair@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Writing tests is the one thing I wouldn't get an LLM to write for me right now. Let me give you an example. Yesterday I came across some new unit tests someone's agentic AI had written recently. The tests were rewriting the code they were meant to be testing in the test itself, then asserting against that. I'll say that again: rather than calling out to some function or method belonging to the class/module under test, the tests were rewriting the implementation of said function inside the test. Not even a junior developer would write that nonsensical shit.

The code those unit tests were meant to be testing was LLM written too, and it was fine!

So right now, getting an LLM to write some implementation code can be ok. But for the love of god, don't let them anywhere near your tests (unless it's just to squirt out some dumb boilerplate helper functions and mocks). LLMs are very shit at thinking up good test cases right now. And even if they come up with good scenarios, they may pull these stunts on you like they did to me. Not worth the hassle.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 1 day ago

Trusting any new code blindly is foolish, even if you're paying a senior dev $200K/yr for it, it should be reviewed and understood by other team members before accepting it. Same is true for an LLM, but of course most organizations never do real code reviews in either scenario...

20ish years ago, I was a proponent of pair programming. It's not for everyone. It's not for anyone 40 hours a week, but in appropriate circumstances for a few hours at a session it can be hugely beneficial. It's like a real-time code review during development. I see that pair programming is as popular today as it was back then, maybe even less so, but... "Vibe coding" with LLMs in chat mode? That can be a very similar experience, up to a point.