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cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/45730883

With more than 80,000 AI-powered cameras across the U.S., Flock Safety has become one of cops’ go-to surveillance tools and a $7.5 billion business. Now CEO Garrett Langley has both police tech giant Axon and Chinese drone maker DJI in his sights on the way to his noble (if Sisyphean) goal: Preventing all crime in the U.S.

In a windowless room inside Atlanta’s Dunwoody police department, Lieutenant Tim Fecht hits a button and an insectile DJI drone rises silently from the station rooftop. It already has its coordinates: a local mall where a 911 call has alerted the cops to a male shoplifter. From high above the complex, Fecht zooms in on a man checking his phone, then examines a group of people waiting for a train. They’re all hundreds of yards away, but crystal clear on the room-dominating display inside the department’s crime center, a classroom-sized space with walls covered in monitors flashing real- time crime data—surveillance and license plate reader camera feeds, gunshot detection reports, digital maps showing the location of cop cars across the city. As more 911 calls come in, AI transcribes them on another screen. Fecht can access any of it with a few clicks.

Twenty minutes down the road from Dunwoody, in an office where Flock Safety’s cameras and gunshot detectors are arrayed like museum pieces, 38-year-old CEO and cofoun­der Garrett Langley presides over the $300 million (estimated 2024 sales) company responsible for it all. Since its founding in 2017, Flock, which was valued at $7.5 billion in its most recent funding round, has quietly built a network of more than 80,000 cameras pointed at highways, thoroughfares and parking lots across the U.S. They record not just the license plate numbers of the cars that pass them, but their make and distinctive features—broken windows, dings, bumper stickers. Langley estimates its cameras help solve 1 million crimes a year. Soon they’ll help solve even more. In August, Flock’s cameras will take to the skies mounted on its own “made in Amer­ica” drones. Produced at a factory the company opened earlier this year near its Atlanta offices, they’ll add a new dimension to Flock’s business and aim to challenge Chinese drone giant DJI’s dominance.

Langley offers a prediction: In less than 10 years, Flock’s cameras, airborne and fixed, will eradicate almost all crime in the U.S. (He acknowledges that programs to boost youth employment and cut recidivism will help.) It sounds like a pipe dream from another AI-can-solve- everything tech bro, but Langley, in the face of a wave of opposition from privacy advocates and Flock’s archrival, the $2.1 billion (2024 revenue) police tech giant Axon Enterprise, is a true believer. He’s convinced that America can and should be a place where everyone feels safe. And once it’s draped in a vast net of U.S.-made Flock surveillance tech, it will be.

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[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

This company has illegally installed their cameras in more than one town, then tried to sell the local police force on them.

They have lawyers on staff that they use to coach local politicians on how to hold the votes to establish contracts with them in ways that aren't technically illegal, but ensure that no community opposition has a way to have their voices heard.

You can find a lot of these sprts of stories by searching online. In local subreddits, ones dedicated to talking about flock, and local news.


Benn Jordan has a good 40 minute video giving an overview of these systems, how they work, what they track, and why they are a problem. He highlights some cases where families were held at gunpoint by police due to failures of these systems. He also experiments with defeating the AI that reads plates.


Louis Rossman is currently leading a campaign against their installation where he lives in Austin, Texas right now. Has a number of videos on it.

Overview before the Austin City Council vote: https://youtu.be/4RM09nKczVs

Call for people to show up at the Austin City Council session to discuss the potential contract with Flock, and showing how difficult it is to find this sort of stuff and be involved with your local government: https://youtu.be/g4vL1ERdZ9Y

Call to action 2: https://youtu.be/hDOmYqlwxD4

Austin City Council reschedules the vote (in a questionably illegal fashion) with less than 24 hours notice when they realize they kicked the hornet's nest: https://youtu.be/iscDYp6dtl8

Minor followup during the wait for the revised time, at two of the three parks with 90% of reported car break ins these cameras are meant to deter: https://youtu.be/2QbtDWrlPpc

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 12 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Also, yeah there really isn't much out there about this surveillance AI company that just kind of appeared out of nowhere ~2017.

Kinda like this other one that appeared out of nowhere ~2015

I wanted to share this article but wasn't sure if it would be allowed bc it's not a typical source https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/ai-surveillance-flock-safety-privacy-us-dunwoody-125090900393_1.html

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 10 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

They were coming up all over the place when I was looking for a new job ~3 years ago. Everything about them skeeved me out and I had to keep ignoring their postings.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Do you remember any names/locations?

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

Sorry, I meant Flock specifically was doing a lot of recruiting.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 10 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

He also experiments with defeating the AI that reads plates.

Whoever figures out how to make this shit worthless is going to be given king like status very quickly

BTW have you heard of this new tx law targeting "jugging?"

It sounds like a made up excuse to pull people over for trying to fool plate readers https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20899084

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 hours ago

While the laws are probably fucked in their ability to be applied, jugging is a pretty common thing in texas. A town of about 70,000 had about 3 of them a week, when I was following police reports. It was a pretty common pattern, too (one atm at the back end of a parking lot for a walmart that had a bank between the parking lot and the street, then the victim drove to another store like fast food or any of the strip malls up and down that street, and then the car's window was broken and the money removed from the atm taken if it was still in an easily grabbed envelope), so this was despite the police caring enough to scope out the particular atm where it would happen.

[–] Hackworth@sh.itjust.works 9 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Just looking around my place, it looks like a lot are operated by businesses that cover every way in or out of the parking lot, and the local PD covers entrance and exit ramps from highways. So essentially you have to watch where you shop and never use an interstate to avoid these things. Basically so difficult most people can't be bothered.

Of course there is always sniping them...

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

A well aimed laser should be able to fuck the camera up.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 hours ago

Or a drone with a can of black spray paint.