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[–] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Okay, I really want to know why these guys were transporting barrels of water with 0.001% heroin in them. Was it a con? A test run? Barrel re-use? A case of cops not having heroin on hand to frame them?

I'm just baffled as to why you'd be hauling around eight barrels of water and how the trace amounts of heroin got in them.

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

0.001% should had been bellow the threshold of any reasonable test, otherwise all of us are carrying drugs

[–] Chaotic_Altruist@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It was probably just infused with poppy seed oil, for cooking.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 6 points 1 day ago

Then why the water. Cooking oils and water don’t mix.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

EDIT: I mathed wrong, see comments below.

Just my 2¢ as a complete nobody who likes to think about stuff and Google some numbers, take it for what it's worth.

Of course the numbers here are all very fuzzy, but if we take the inaccurate initial estimate of "millions" of lethal doses at face value (which you probably shouldn't, these estimates always seem to be massively inflated,) .001% of 2 million (the smallest number you can really call "millions") is still 2000 lethal doses. Probably several times that in actual doses since most addicts aren't looking to outright kill themselves.

I don't know the physics/chemistry of how heroin dissolves into water, let alone how pure the heroin involved was or any of the other factors that would play into this, so these numbers are probably gonna be way off, but 8 55gal drums of water is 440 gallons. .001% of that is .44 gallons of heroin. And I believe that would theoretically be a solid block of heroin with that volume, not a loose power where some of that volume is air.

That's an upper bound, because that's not how volume works when you dissolve stuff, s let's go ahead and assume the actual amount of heroin is ¼ of that (based on nothing but a wild guess, easy math and an assumption that I'm wildly overestimating) so .11 gallons, (1.76 cups, a 2.94 inch cube, 416.395 ml)

With the amount of googling I was willing to do, I couldn't find the density of heroin, but anhydrous morphine is apparently 1.32 g/cm³, so let's roll with that. 1.32×416.395 = 549.6414g (a little over a pound for my fellow Americans)

Let's go ahead and call that 500g or ½kg to make math easy and further account for me probably overestimating things earlier.

A little googling tells me the value of heroin is between $10,000-$100,000/kg, so for half of that we're looking at $5,000-$50,000 of heroin in those drums (assuming that all of my many assumptions weren't too far off-base)

So for that kind of money, assuming they have the means to recover the heroin at the other end (industrial freeze dryer maybe? Not sure what the best method would be,) I could definitely see it being worthwhile to have a couple mooks rent a u haul to smuggle heroin from point a to point b this way.

Also gives you a little insurance against the driver stealing any of it en route. It's not easy to just walk off with a full barrel, and if they siphoned some off, they probably wouldn't have the means to recover it, and even if they did it wouldn't be much.

One of the barrels tested negative, and I kind of suspect they didn't just put in a barrel of plain water for shits and giggles, so I have a hunch that the plan was to dilute the heroin down to below the detection threshold for whatever field test kit cops usually have, so if they got stopped they'd just say they have barrels of water, which would be weird but probably not illegal, but either they just had bad luck and the cops had a better batch of test strips than usual, or someone fucked up dividing the heroin between the barrels.

Again, take that all for what it's worth.

[–] the_mighty_kracken@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Someone else here said the total amount of heroin in those barrels was less than half an ounce. That sounds like they were reusing dirty barrels for some other purpose, not transporting heroin. I have no idea why someone would move barrels of water around in a truck, but I don't think it is illegal.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

EDIT: I mathed wrong, see comments below.

I also saw that comment, all they cited was "napkin math" for that number, which is really all I've done here, so both of our answers should be taken with a big grain of salt.

They might know a lot more than I do and started with better numbers and used a better methodology, or they might be talking totally out of their ass and just picked a number that sounded about right to them, I can't say. If they want to look over my math, they're more than welcome to, that's why I wrote it out, so that people can fact-check me, I very well might be wrong. And if they they explain their napkin math, I'll look that over as well.

And to just do my math another way to back up the idea of it being more than a half ounce, let's go by weight. A gallon weighs about 8lbs, x 55 × 8 = 3520lbs of water, or 1596.645kg. 1596.645 × .001 = 1.596645kg of heroin by weight. And let's go ahead and assume I'm being overly optimistic about those weights, the purity of heroin, and all of the other science involved, and go ahead and use that cut that by 75% again like I did the first time, which gets us to about .4kg of heroin, not too far off from the .5kg I estimated the first time, and in either case significantly more than a half ounce.

EDIT: also, I just watched the video included in the article. A lot of the screenshots and such there seem to be talking about fentanyl while the article says heroin, so there seems to be some crossed wires here. Fentanyl is of course much more potent, so if the substance in the barrels was in fact fentanyl that would also be worth considering, ½oz of fentanyl would still plenty for a few dozen lethal doses, still a far cry from "millions" but it's something else that may be worth taking into consideration.

[–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

1596.645 × .001 = 1.596645kg of heroin by weight

That's 0.1%, not 0.001%

0.001% of 440 gallons is 0.5632 fl oz (or just over 16ml out of 1,666 liters)

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

See, that's why I post my math so someone can double check me, I'm just some assholes one the internet doing math while I'm standing around staring at my washer waiting for it to finish

[–] whosepoopisonmybuttocks@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd really just calculated it the way decryptor did but the article also said only 7 of the barrels actually tested positive.

I figured most things have a density not all that far from water. This isn't lead or tungsten or helium we're talking about. Also the their .001% value is probably also just ballpark.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

You know, I've gotten a lot of mileage out of that same rule of thumb, and it hasn't steered me wrong yet. It feels like it shouldn't work, when it comes up people are always skeptical of it, but the results are hard to argue with.

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago

Maybe they already removed the heroin and a little bit leaked into the water. Could have been a heroin "core" inside the barrels to fool dogs.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

May have been a bad smuggling operation? Mix it with water, ship the water, then boil off the water leaving the heroin? Too bad doing that ruins the heroin.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That's like 6,000 pounds of water for a few ounces of heroin. There equipment is either off by a factor of ten or more and it's contamination or probably more likely the cop sprinkled some in.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

sounds like it was sprinkled.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 1 day ago

Open and shut case.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hence the "bad smuggling". :)

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I refuse to believe that dilution ratio is intentional. Heroin gets much cheaper once you are buying ounces. It's just not worth it, it probably would have cost more in equipment than the heroin value itself and that's before you factor in peoples time.

[–] sqgl@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 hours ago

Is it too far fetched that the cops got rich by replacing the heroin with water? Initial suspects would be happy to go along with the lie just to avoid life in jail.

[–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 3 points 22 hours ago

Well, if you need to catch a snitch, you set up a few false operations. Tell each person something different and see which one is busted.