such a funny time for this discourse again ☕
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I thought leftists are always pro-gun, while its the liberals (which includes those progressives in the US Democratic party) are always against guns.
I always felt like a minority in politics. I grew more and more supportative of egalitarian policies as a I grew older, coming to that conclusion from both logics (I wouldn't want to be treated that way), and also from experience as a racial minority.
But I've literally always been pro-gun since the moment the gun topic came up in school.
Which just leaves me in a very confused position when I learned that out of the two big parties (those that can actually win an election), the party I agree more with opposes guns. I just had a mini-identity crisis.
So while I do vote for democrats, I do so begrudgingly, because there is just no viable left-of-center pro-gun party. Every time they say "gun control" on an election year, I just facepalm, like c'mon just drop the issue from the party platform and win a lot more elections, the time to debate guns was 1789, now its kinda too late, cats out of the bag.
"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary"
-Karl Marx
I disagree with Stalinism and Maoism, but Marx had great ideas, but sadly people just did a horrible interpretation/implementations of it and used communist/socialist aesthetics to justify their authoritatianism and never actually doing any real egalitarian stuff.
Being pro gun, doesn't have to mean you're against sensible gun laws though
So far, what democrats propose aren't really sensible.
They are giving authority to police to dictate who can or cannot obtain a gun permit.
Like wtf, fuck the police, I don't trust them with shit.
Give that power to like, idk, some sort of jury and maybe we'll talk about gun control. But I ain't trusting cops with the discretion to hand out gun permits. They'll give it to a white young-adult that's racist as fuck and threatened people, but will simultaneously refuse to give a permit to a black store owner seeking for a gun to defend against a potential white mob trying to attack his store.
Before 2022, most Democratic jurisdictions operate under "May-Issue" laws, meaning, cops had broad discretion on whether to issue a permit or not, but then the supreme court, ironically its the 6 fascist-alligned judges, struck it down and the whole US is now under "Shall-Issue" laws, which means, cops cannot deny a permit if the background check comes clean, so no more denying guns to non-whites and using "he looks suspicious" as a reason.
Background checks? Yea fine.
Manatory gun safety training? Sure.
Permits? Ummm only if its a neutral nonpolitical jury/citizen's commission or something like that. Cuz otherwise nope, can't trust cops with the discretion.
Gun Registry? Don't give it to the government. An independent citizen's commission should maintain the registry, only accessible to investigators if there's probable cause and a warrant should be required.
Fun fact: NC "recently" (idfk 1-2yr ago) got rid of their Pistol Purchase Permit required to buy a handgun, because it was found that the Sheriffs (who had the authority to approve the permits) were using the law to discriminate. Iirc around the time I read 60% of denials were to black people. That state and others still gatekeep the CCW permit behind the exact same system. Just evidence to your point.
That said, a jury can be, and often is as we've seen, racist too. A NICs check oughta be enough, if you can't trust someone to carry one you can't trust them to have it at all imo. Hell even a NICs check, I personally think nonviolent felons should have a path back to firearms ownership, and don't care if someone is an unlawful user of marijuana.
Manditory safety training, depending on price and time, imo is a barrier to entry for the poor and trivial for the rich. It'd have to be well thought out.
Permits? Bad. Registry? Literal fascism, it's time to "go." Idfc if it's jury, idfc if it's private companies not the feds, no.
Because we've all seen how companies that promised to keep your data safe totally keep that promise! No registry, idfc of it's a "non partisan citizen organization" or data is not safe with anyone!
Background checks? Sure, but burn the data after(not going to happen, I know). But it's better than letting literally anyone buy one. But if you think something like a registry or permits, something they need to keep track of periodically, won't be weaponized against a group of minorities disproportionately then I got some beach front property in Tennessee to sell you.
100%. We already know plenty of cops are definitely the, "just following orders" types of cowards for the defenseless, and they call paramedics for anything so i dont have to deal with it for everything else type.
I'll be damned if im okay with them deciding.
For those DMing me what I meant: I know first hand how domestic abusers and other criminals can get off because the cops dont want to do the paperwork and because theyre drunk or strung out, they call paramedics because, "Altered mental status is a medical issue."
A disadvantaged person asserting their rights? They'll just beat the fuck out of them or shoot em.
The issue probably comes with determining which major organizations are knowledgable about guns…and then which of those organizations you’d trust.
If there are regulations, unfortunately someone has to administer them. Juries make decisions regarding cases, but cases only arise through police action; and court systems are already overloaded without handling firearm permits for individuals.
I agree!
I'm pro gun, but I would tie the ownership of guns to a permit, that includes first aid and firearm safety training at least for the smaller arms, and possibly more for larger arms, on top of some background checks (no history of violent crimes or domestic abuse, etc.).
Who gives out the permits?
Make them shall issue permits, as in they can't be denied as long as you've gone through the proper training
My issue with that is putting permit requirements on constitutional rights is a bad idea. We are sliding closer and closer to needing permits for free speech world wide, and I can see this administration giving out 4th and 5th amendment permits if you submit to pre-screening by ICE and the police.
Gun safety and training should be free and part of our mandatory education system to ensure what you want, rather than gate kept by certifications and permits. The administrative bureaucracy will find a way to be discriminatory with any steps in a shall issue chain.
A true Liberal wants 100% deregulation. It is odd the reject MAGATs thinks the Liberals, Communists and Socialists are the same. Far fucking from it.
I think you are talking about a Libertarian
Librarians 4 Gunz 2025
That's not true either. What you think of as libertarianism is just anarcho-capitalism rebranded. Libertarianism is a left wing ideology. The name was stolen by right wing think tanks. True libertarians absolutely support any kind of regulation that serves to liberate individuals from subservience to capital.