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such a funny time for this discourse again ☕

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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 56 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Mussolini didn’t end up hanging upside down in an Italian town square because of protests.

While you're right that the people who killed Mussolini were armed dissidents, it's worth remembering that he was allowed to be taken after being deposed after a vote of no confidence from the fascist government of Italy after they got their shit kicked in a few times militarily, and it was the King who removed and presumably arrested him before the citizens did their thing.

And also, the Allies were plowing a path of destruction towards Italy.

Moral of the story: no great story is as simple as we need it to be. There is still politics, there are still decisions by the ruling class that allow the next steps to happen and that ruling class can have their will bent. We still need to be involved in the political system, armed mobs cause as much harm as good even in the best of circumstances, so we want to avoid that if possible, but we need to also have that force behind us or the politics won't work.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The calm that washes over me when I see people just casually talking sense on the internet

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Ikr it's the gentle reassurance that nuance and substance are still out there.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

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[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

War is not violence and killing, pure and simple; war is controlled violence, for a purpose. The purpose of war is to support your government's decisions by force. The purpose is never to kill the enemy just to be killing him... but to make him do what you want him to do. Not killing... but controlled and purposeful violence. But it’s not your business or mine to decide the purpose or the control. It’s never a soldier’s business to decide when or where or how — or why — he fights; that belongs to the statesmen and the generals. The statesmen decide why and how much; the generals take it from there and tell us where and when and how. We supply the violence; other people — ‘older and wiser heads,’ as they say — supply the control. Which is as it should be.

--Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers