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such a funny time for this discourse again ☕

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 72 points 2 days ago (3 children)

America is well past the point where any of this is going to end without gunfire. So yeah. Leftists, it's time to admit that MAGA doesn't give a shit about your "protests" or your "letters to your representative". Protests only work if the person you're protesting gives a shit what you think.

It's time to get your guns. Mussolini didn't end up hanging upside down in an Italian town square because of protests.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 56 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Mussolini didn’t end up hanging upside down in an Italian town square because of protests.

While you're right that the people who killed Mussolini were armed dissidents, it's worth remembering that he was allowed to be taken after being deposed after a vote of no confidence from the fascist government of Italy after they got their shit kicked in a few times militarily, and it was the King who removed and presumably arrested him before the citizens did their thing.

And also, the Allies were plowing a path of destruction towards Italy.

Moral of the story: no great story is as simple as we need it to be. There is still politics, there are still decisions by the ruling class that allow the next steps to happen and that ruling class can have their will bent. We still need to be involved in the political system, armed mobs cause as much harm as good even in the best of circumstances, so we want to avoid that if possible, but we need to also have that force behind us or the politics won't work.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The calm that washes over me when I see people just casually talking sense on the internet

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Ikr it's the gentle reassurance that nuance and substance are still out there.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

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[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

War is not violence and killing, pure and simple; war is controlled violence, for a purpose. The purpose of war is to support your government's decisions by force. The purpose is never to kill the enemy just to be killing him... but to make him do what you want him to do. Not killing... but controlled and purposeful violence. But it’s not your business or mine to decide the purpose or the control. It’s never a soldier’s business to decide when or where or how — or why — he fights; that belongs to the statesmen and the generals. The statesmen decide why and how much; the generals take it from there and tell us where and when and how. We supply the violence; other people — ‘older and wiser heads,’ as they say — supply the control. Which is as it should be.

--Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

To rephrase this line

Protests only work if the person you're protesting gives a shit what you think.

Protests only work when you directly affect their vested interests. They don't care about you or what you think. Period. Yet, they do care about something.

Organize. Find out what those vested interests are. Hold them hostage. Create the credible threat that if they do not start representing our interests, as is their assumed role of the position they have been appointed to, then we will royally fuck it up and hit them where it hurts.

Then, it doesn't matter if they care what we think, we have established our authority and made it known that it will be enforced with immediate consequences. If they want their authority as a government official then they will respect our authority as their constituency or else.

Most of all, be prepared for them to retaliate and defend their interests. To deter us and threaten us to stand down. These are the times in history where we can't back down. We cannot give in to them just to save our own skin when it comes at the cost of, if allowed to continue, the skins of millions of others under the boot of their oppression.

We fight and stand our ground knowing that we may possibly die, but also possibly survive and save millions of lives, or we do nothing, let millions fall to their atrocities, until they finally turn their sights on us and we die with regret that we didn't even attempt to stop them.

They can't do this without us so, if they want to go this route, we need to be ready to sink the whole goddamn ship so they don't get their cake and eat it too. Mutually assured destruction is not just a nuclear deterrent. The best part is, us workers can rebuild. We built this all to begin with. The owning class assholes, if they get rid of us, will live out their final moments in a burned out husk surrounded by resources with no ability to use them. They will be Kings of nothing, to die of thirst surrounded by water with nothing but their imaginary wealth to keep them company.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well...yeah. But mine fits on a bumper sticker...

I kid..I kid. I have to make a wise ass comment or cry. I choose the former.

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago

It's okay comrade, I understand.

[–] Guidy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

WRONG.

It’s past time to get your guns. We (I vote Democrat and live in a blue state) have banned most guns.

Great fucking job.

Oh and btw most (as in >50%) gun deaths in the USA are from suicide where how the gun functions or how many bullets it holds at one time are irrelevant. Pity that no political party in America gives a shit about all those miserable souls who want to die. Easier to ban guns and disarm ourselves in the face of fascists who’ve taken over our nation.

Like I said… great fucking job. Quick, someone bitch about Palestine, that’ll surely help.