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[–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 45 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The currently hot LLM technology is very interesting and I believe it has legitimate use cases. If we develop them into tools that help assist work. (For example, I'm very intrigued by the stuff that's happening in the accessibility field.)

I mostly have problem with the AI business. Ludicruous use cases (shoving AI into places where it has no business in). Sheer arrogance about the sociopolitics in general. Environmental impact. LLMs aren't good enough for "real" work, but snake oil salesmen keep saying they can do that, and uncritical people keep falling for it.

And of course, the social impact was just not what we were ready for. "Move fast and break things" may be a good mantra for developing tech, but not for releasing stuff that has vast social impact.

I believe the AI business and the tech hype cycle is ultimately harming the field. Usually, AI technologies just got gradually developed and integrated to software where they served purpose. Now, it's marred with controversy for decades to come.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If we develop them into tools that help assist work.

Spoilers: We will not

I believe the AI business and the tech hype cycle is ultimately harming the field.

I think this is just an American way of doing business. And it's awful, but at the end of the day people will adopt technology if it makes them greater profit (or at least screws over the correct group of people).

But where the Americanized AI seems to suffer most is in their marketing fully eclipsing their R&D. People seem to have forgotten how DeepSeek spiked the football on OpenAI less than a year ago by making some marginal optimizations to their algorithm.

The field isn't suffering from the hype cycle nearly so much as it suffers from malinvestment. Huge efforts to make the platform marketable. Huge efforts to shoehorn clumsy chat bots into every nook and cranny of the OS interface. Vanishingly little effort to optimize material consumption or effectively process data or to segregate AI content from the human data it needs to improve.

[–] Hackworth@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Spoilers: We will not

Generative inpainting/fill is enormously helpful in media production.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Implicit costs refer to the opportunity costs associated with a firm's resources, representing the income that could have been earned if those resources were employed in their next best alternative use.

[–] Hackworth@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't see the relevance here. Inpainting saves artists from time-consuming and repetitive labor for (often) no additional cost. Many generative inpainting models will run locally, but they're also just included with an Adobe sub.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don’t see the relevance here

Anthropic is losing $3 billion or more after revenue in 2025

OpenAI is on track to lose more than $10 billion.

xAI, makers of “Grok, the racist LLM,” losing it over $1 billion a month.

I don't know that generative infill justifies these losses.

[–] Hackworth@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The different uses of AI are not inexctricable. This is the point of the post. We should be able to talk about the good and the bad.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We should be able to talk about the good and the bad.

Again, I point you to "implicit costs". Something this trivial isn't good if it's this expensive.

[–] Hackworth@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The different uses of AI are not inexctricable.

Many generative inpainting models will run locally

Continuing to treat AI as a monolith is missing the point.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The value of the modern LLM is predicated on trained models. You can run the models locally. You can't run industry scale training locally.

Might as well say "The automotive industry isn't so bad if you just look at the carbon footprint of a single car". You're missing the forest for this one very small tree.

[–] Hackworth@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

Generative inpainting doesn't typically employ an LLM. Only a few even use attention transformers. It costs in the range of $100,000 - $10 million to train a new diffusion or flow image model. Not cheap, but nothing crazy like training Opus or GPT 5.