I'll answer. Because some people see these systems as "good" regardless of political affiliation and want them furthered and see any cost as worth it. If an anarchist / communist sees these systems in a positive light, then they will absolutely try and use them at scale. These people absolutely exist and you could find many examples of them on Lemmy. Try DB0.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And the point of anarchist or actual communist systems is that such scale would be miniscule. Not massive national or unanswerable state scales.

And yes, I'm an anarchist. I know DB0 and their instance and generally agree with their stance - because it would allow any one of us to effectively advocate against it if we desired to.

There would be no tech broligarchy forcing things on anyone. They'd likely all be hanged long ago. And no one would miss them as they provide nothing of real value anyway.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And the point of anarchist or actual communist systems is that such scale would be miniscule.

Every community running their own AI would be even more wasteful than corporate centralization. It doesn't matter what the system is if people want it.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The point is, most wouldn't. It's of little real use currently, especially the LLM bullshit. The communities would have infinitely better things to pit resources to.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The point is, most wouldn’t.

People currently want it despite it being stupid which is why corporations are in a frenzy to be the monopoly that provides it. People want all sorts of stupid things. A different system wouldn't change that.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Define people. Because obviously people don't here. The average person I talk to IRL on a daily basis don't know what it is, have never used it, and likely never will. And a system where the people currently pushing this wouldn't exist would certainly change things.

Your argument basically amounts to "nu uh".

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The average person I talk to IRL on a daily basis don’t know what it is, have never used it, and likely never will.

ChatGPT.com is visited approximately 5.24 billion times each month. That makes it bigger than Twitter, Instagram, and even Wikipedia.

https://explodingtopics.com/blog/chatgpt-users

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I don't use Twitter and don't know anyone that does but that doesn't mean it isn't popular.

Your argument basically amounts to “nu uh”.

ChatGPT has been the biggest Internet thing since Google. If it wasn't, we wouldn't even be talking about it here. I shouldn't have to quote statistics for something well known.

[–] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

DB0 has a rather famous record of banning users who do not agree with AI. See !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com or others for many threads complaining about it.

You have no way of knowing what the scale would be as it's all a thought experiment, however, so let's play at that. if you see AI as a nearly universal good and want to encourage people to use it, why not incorporate it into things? Why not foist it into the state OS or whatever?

Buuuuut... keep in mind that in previous Communist regimes (even if you disagree that they were "real" Communists), what the state says will apply. If the state is actively pro-AI, then by default, you are using it. Are you too good to use what your brothers and sisters have said is good and will definitely 100% save labour? Are you wasteful, Comrade? Why do you hate your country?

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yes, I have seen posts on it. Sufficed to say, despite being an anarchist. I don't have an account there for reasons. And don't agree with everything they do.

The situation with those bans I might consider heavy handed and perhaps overreaching. But by the same token it's a bit of a reflection of some of those that are banned. Overzealous and lacking nuance etc.

The funny thing is. They pretty much dislike the tech bros as much as anyone here does. You generally won't ever find them defending their actions. They want AI etc that they can run from their home. Not snarfing up massive public resources, massively contributing to climate change, or stealing anyone's livelihood. Hell many of them want to run off the grid from wind and solar. But, as always happens with the left. We can agree with eachother 90%, but will never tolerate or understand because of the 10%.

We do know the scale. Your use of "the state" with reference to anarchism. Implies you're unfamiliar with it. Anarchism and communism are against "the state" for the reasons you're also warry of it. It's too powerful and unanswerable.